Hello there,

I just switched from XP to kubuntu 8.10 ... using KDE 4.2 right from the start. And well, i really like it. But there are a few things to complain about

I like the "lock/logout" widget; but I really dislike the choice window that "logout" gives me: IMO it is a bad decision to have "suspend to ram/disk"
as subentries for "Turn off the computer".

You see, when I want to do a "suspend to disk" ... i for sure have a lot of programs running. So the last thing i want to happen ... is to trigger "turn off" instead of suspend. But exactly that happens all the time with me.

Shutdown and suspend are two really different actions. The solution to have a "button within the button" to do different these actions is (in my eyes) a (sorry) lousy UI design. Especially as there is no confirmation dialog.

xfce and gnome give me all interesting choices as seperate buttons. I say "quit" and press the button I want.

I wouldnt mind if this could be configured, but sadly I could not find any way to change this kde "leave" window. I thought about using kshutdown ... but that one doesnt hibernate on my machine.

btw: I also think that the "feedback" to the user should be changed. When I select to turn off the computer ... the only thing i see is this tiny string telling me "computer is going to shutdown in 30 seconds" or so.
Very easy to miss. Then what. You are sitting there and wondering what is going to happen now. Did you select shutdown? Or did I miss the button?

kde is able to gray out the desktop when the leave window is shown; why cant you keep it gray and and some message window telling the user: "shuting down NOW".

Feature requests can be filed at bugs.kde.org. I have never come across the delayed shutdown feature however.

The shutdown issue is related to Accessibility.

bcooksley wrote:Feature requests can be filed at bugs.kde.org. I have never come across the delayed shutdown feature however.

The shutdown issue is related to Accessibility.

Sorry, I dont understand. What do you mean by delayed shutdown window?
What I am saying is:
a) mix of suspend/turn off is bad
b) "turn off is going" indication is missing.

When filling out a bug ticket ... which application would that be?

Delayed shutdown = the system begins to shut down after some period of time ( 30 seconds in your case ).
I only see this at the shutdown dialog itself, where the choices are offered ( I use the classic menu ).
This 30 second delay is on purpose, in order to avoid accidental log off / shutdown.
My system usually plays the shutting down sound within 5 seconds of me clicking "Log Out" or "Shutdown Computer".

The bug report should only be filed for the mixed shutdown / suspend issue.

The whole thing doesnt make too much sense for me:

1) when I select "leave" ... I want to see a menu instantely that gives me the options[ok with KDE]
2) then I might select logout or shutdown [missing in KDE: a confirmation dialog to avoid the accidental logout]
3) then i expect the system to immediately "gray out" and start to shutdown [KDE "solution": I press the "turn off" button ... window goes away, screen looks like nothing happened ... and 15, 20 seconds later music plays and screen goes black ]

What I would expect: when I have selected shutdown, there should be no delay.

I really dont understand that there is a delay between "shutdown triggered" ... and "shutdown is beginning". What am i supposed to do after pressing "turn off" ... there is no way to undo this action in the first place; so why delay it?

When you select shutdown, your system does begin to shutdown. However it takes time for applications to save their state so they can be in the same state when you login again. Which KDE applications are you running? Maybe it is one particular application causing the delay.

@edgue:

I'm not sure I understand you right? But unchecking "Confirm logout" in 'Systemsettings > Advanced > Session manager', ensures that the selected operation is executed immediately on your PC!

KFreak wrote:I'm not sure I understand you right? But unchecking "Confirm logout" in 'Systemsettings > Advanced > Session manager', ensures that the selected operation is executed immediately on your PC!

Now I start to get the KDE concept ...

Displaying the "different shutdown options" window is regarded as user confirmation.
"No user confirmation" means to logout / shutdown immediately.

Not exactly what I am looking for, but at least a somewhat consistent concept.

And for the other thing, maybe my KDE install is broken?
As I said: when i press the "logout" button within this "confirmation dialog", it takes my system 15 to 20 seconds before the "visible" logout takes place.
In the meantime ... everything just sits there and looks like "normal mode of operation". That doesnt make any sense to me.

Please see my above post.

Well, when I do "logout" or "turn off" I am used to close any application before that ... so there isnt much running.

I got a panel on the left hand side with some widgets ... some try stuff like workrave or the gnome network applet.

The applications in the system tray are probably the most relevant. Try logging out with them mostly all closed.

bcooksley wrote:The applications in the system tray are probably the most relevant. Try logging out with them mostly all closed.

Did so; only tray icon alive was the gnome network applet.
Same thing - more than 15 seconds before logout seems to happen.

Maybe the cache is full of old stuff.

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rm -rf $KDEHOME/cache-$('hostname')/*

bcooksley wrote:Maybe the cache is full of old stuff.

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rm -rf $KDEHOME/cache-$('hostname')/*

Well, my installation is about two weeks old ;-(
And there aint too many things in my .kde/cache-whatever ...

Does a new user log out quicker?