Note that kjots and knotes are *not* interchangeable. They have different formats and handle notes in a different way, to my understanding. KNotes was upgraded in recent PIM version and thus is very reliable.

As for including them or not in the default install, this is up to the distribution's maintainers and not to KDE itself.

By default they use the same akonadi ressource, so there are serious issues as if they are both used...

Can you answer the original question where knotes physically saves the notes? they are NOT in the akonadi ressource path (see above)....

thx, p.

STill this seems not solved:

When I create a new subfolder with new posts in KJots (with not using knotes at all) they show up in KJots.
I can delete them, edit them, move them .... they just do not show up in the file system !

The only way to make those notes appear as physical files is to copy the new notebook to another subfolder within kjots, delete the original one and move back the copy to the original place. Then and only then the notes will show up within the folder tree in /.local/share/notes.

It looks like the notes are cached somewhere and only written to their designated location under very specific circumstances.
Meaning: if I follow any advice or tutorial on backing up my notes by copying the /.local/share/notes folder and importing notes from this backup - I will loose all the notebooks and all the notes that have never been copied around. Meaning: under normal work conditions mostly all of them.

A word of warning: Do not use KJots for important notes or keep them elsewhere additionally
(in other words: as much as I would like a hierarchical notetaking - KPIM doesn't have it...)

piedro

I have recently bought a new larger disk for my notebook.
I have succesfully recovered all my important data from the old disk... but i've lost a hundred knotes.

I am searching everywhere and still didn't have a clue where are the notes stored on the filesystem.
There is also no reference, procedure, or howto about how to backup the knotes or the akonadi-notes-collections.

I don't understand why there is such secrecy about this.

Has anybody succeded recovering Knotes data?

Well, I still haven't. But to give you some insight at least:

- there seems to be a kind of akonadi saving or caching or something going on before the note is written to the disk

- be careful with creating the akonadi ressources. Everytime you open the dialogs and press ok to close the configuration dialog some defaults are triggered somehow (maybe just for me) that set back the path...

- as i said: do not also use kjots - both use the same folder locations as default (at least for me)

- do NOT trust the documentation for KDE - most of theis stuff is completely outdated! Information on any KDE 4.6 application will not help you now... the builtin helpcenter seems to be a remainder of KDE3 and mostly simply states what is there

- file bug reports but do not be surprised to get "wontfix" reactions because the application in question might bel be replaced (just users shall not know about it yet: this should be a surprise!)

- if the moderators in this forum aren't able to help then noone likely will (if they do not have or get the information, it's unlikely anyone else, like me, will!)

I have been struggling with notetaking for many years now, asked quite a few questions including one to get some insight into the KDE roadmap or plans for notetaking - I never got any reliable information on that. In short: Basket is dead, Kjots still hanging in there (why I do not know...) but even more dead and very buggy than Basket, other solutions are often recommended but these are standalone - they do not integrate with Kontacts at all... I even used a very buggy desktop applet for "remember the milk" but without further notice this suddenly dissappeared with the switch to the new plasma ...

In my system (after manually forcing the path - by default it contains a "//" double slash, which is clearly invalid!)
kjots uses two resources

~/.local/share//notes/UL92YUisZX - private notes
~/.local/share//notes/93X7AvuU53 - others

In the settings menu for knotes I had to choose ONE folder (corresponding with a "notebook") within the above ressource hierarchy (not the path!)...
lets say I pick "others/knotes stuff"

The knotes notes will eventually be saved (maybe with a delay) in this hidden folder:

~/.local/share//notes/.93X7AvuU53.directory/others/new
(note the dots in the path!)

Because I do not trust this system too much I keep a daily copy of this "notes" folder including subfolders as it can be imported by kmail (not pretty but it's the content that counts, right?

yah, but at least we have sliding windows transparency,
cheers,
piedro

Please file issues for your problems on bugs.kde.org. PIM gets active bug fixing, but only if reports are known.
And lastly, PIM, Plasma, and other parts of KDE software are developed by different people: please avoid low blows like the last sentence.