Have KDE developers ceased the development of Konqueror and KHTML?

mkamenjak wrote:Have KDE developers ceased the development of Konqueror and KHTML?

No.
Konqueror has been ported to KF5 (mostly), but the port is just not released yet.
KHTML is part of KDE Frameworks5, although WebKit (a fork of KHTML, originally done by Apple for their Safari browser) or WebEngine (a fork of WebKit, originally done by Google for their Chrome browser) are preferred nowadays.

At least WebKit can be used (and is actually the default since years) in Konqueror as engine instead of KHTML via kwebkitpart, which also has been ported to KF5 already.
AFAIK it is also planned to add support for WebEngine.

And what about the development on KHTML itself?

mkamenjak wrote:And what about the development on KHTML itself?

As I wrote, it is part of KDE Frameworks5, and is still maintained.
But AFAIK mostly bugfix work is done (also for the KDE4 version, which is part of kdelibs), but it's probably only still there for compatibility.

As mentioned, KHTML is practically deprecated meanwhile AFAIK. But there's WebKit (which was originally based on KHTML), and its successor WebEngine. Both are part of Qt itself.

What is the status of Konqueror at the moment?
I don't use it as a browser, but it's the best file manager.

tpe wrote:What is the status of Konqueror at the moment?

The KF5 port has been released in December as part of KDE Applications 16.12.

And it comes with a webengine part.
That is using QtWebEngine which is based on Chromium's rendering engine, so top of the art.
The downside is that it's still missing certain integration features, like support for storing passwords in kwallet (or actually at all).

Regarding KHTML and kwebkitpart, nothing has changed since my previous post.
A KF5 port of kwebkitpart hasn't been officially released (yet?), current git master works fine though. openSUSE does ship that btw, and uses it as default (not webenginepart yet, though that's available too of course, you'd just need to install it manually).

I don't use it as a browser, but it's the best file manager.

Strictly speaking, Konqueror is neither a web browser nor a file manager.
It is actually just a shell to embed other components, so-called kparts.

The file management part is actually provided by dolphin (since 4.0).

wolfi323 wrote:The KF5 port has been released in December as part of KDE Applications 16.12.

It's good to see work being done on Konqueror. However, now I'm running Konqueror 5.0.97:

a) There's no support for KWallet.

b) Konqueror always starts with a small window which I have to resize. It doesn't remember the size.

Are these issues known and being worked on?

ghewson wrote:Are these issues known and being worked on?

OK, I guess I should have started with bugs.kde.org.

Lack of KWallet integration was reported in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=372777 six months ago, and isn't fixed.

Not storing configuration was reported in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370177 and is fixed. However, the fix apparently isn't in Kubuntu 17.04 +/- the backports PPA.

ghewson wrote:Lack of KWallet integration was reported in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=372777 six months ago, and isn't fixed.

Yes, that's a limitation/missing feature in the new webenginepart (that uses QtWebEngine that's based on Chromium).

It does (still) work fine in KHTML and kwebkitpart. The latter has been ported to KF5 but there hasn't been an official release yet, so your distribution may not package it. openSUSE does.

You can choose the renderer part in the "View" menu or globally in Konqueror's settings.
Although, you probably won't be very happy with KHTML nowadays either (it's not really actively developed since years except some bug or security fixes). It works fine for me on most pages though, and I still prefer to keep it as default on my system...

Not storing configuration was reported in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370177 and is fixed. However, the fix apparently isn't in Kubuntu 17.04 +/- the backports PPA.

This should be fixed in Konqueror 17.04 (i.e. the version part of KDE Applications 17.04), and it works fine here.

Still I don't understand what is the status of Konqueror as a File Manager.
In the latest Fedora, the File Management part is pretty much dead. You can use it, but is limited. No Side bar, no search bar no, no, no...

I have to admit that Dolphin is very limited for me and the developers looks quite busy to fix bugs. So, I don't believe that they will ever reach the functionality of Konqueror.

tpe wrote:Still I don't understand what is the status of Konqueror as a File Manager.
In the latest Fedora, the File Management part is pretty much dead. You can use it, but is limited. No Side bar, no search bar no, no, no....

The side bar is not really specific to file management.
But yes, it has been removed because it's not fully ported yet. (AFAIR it still used KDE3/Qt3 code in the last KDE4 version).

The filter bar should be there though, I do have it here in 17.08.2.
Do you have konqueror-plugins installed?

I have to admit that Dolphin is very limited for me and the developers looks quite busy to fix bugs. So, I don't believe that they will ever reach the functionality of Konqueror.

AFAIK the design goal of dolphin is (and was) to keep it simple. So no, it will likely *never* reach the functionality of Konqueror.

Although that's basically just the UI, Konqueror does in fact use (an embedded) dolphin for file management (since 4.0).

My point (and from others as I read here and there), is that Dolphin is TOO basic. For example, the fact that I cannot preview a text file or an image inside Dolphin is very annoying.
The fact that Konq was a wrapper doesn't change the fact that it was an excellent wrapper! I really hope that we will see the full functionality of the old konq when it's ported to QT5.

Fedora 26 has no konqueror-plugins package, I am afraid. The only available packages are:

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Installed Packages
konqueror.x86_64                                                                                  17.04.1-1.fc26                                                             @@commandline
konqueror-libs.x86_64                                                                             17.04.1-1.fc26                                                             @@commandline
Available Packages
konqueror.i686                                                                                    17.04.1-1.fc26                                                             fedora       
konqueror-devel.i686                                                                              17.04.1-1.fc26                                                             fedora       
konqueror-devel.x86_64                                                                            17.04.1-1.fc26                                                             fedora       
konqueror-libs.i686                                                                               17.04.1-1.fc26                                                             fedora       
konqueror-mldonkey-ed2k-support.x86_64                                                            3.1.6-1.fc26                                                               updates     


tpe wrote:My point (and from others as I read here and there), is that Dolphin is TOO basic. For example, the fact that I cannot preview a text file or an image inside Dolphin is very annoying.

I think you misunderstood me.

You wrote that "the File Management part is pretty much dead", but the file management part is actually provided by dolphin and that's nothing new (it is the case since 4.0). Dolphin didn't lose features in the Qt5 port either...

The sidebar and filter bar are (and were) features/plugins of Konqueror though. The former one is not available in the Qt5/KF5 version at the moment (no idea if and when it will be ported), but the latter one should be there as I wrote.

The fact that Konq was a wrapper doesn't change the fact that it was an excellent wrapper! I really hope that we will see the full functionality of the old konq when it's ported to QT5.

Hm?
Konqueror *is* ported to Qt5 (since 16.12.0), but the sidebar has been removed in the port.
If it hadn't been ported, the sidebar would still be there...

But OTOH, the KDE4 version would also have lost features by now because other applications that Konqueror embeds (e.g. Okular), and also the thumbnailers e.g., have been ported to Qt5 meanwhile, so Konqueror/KDE4 couldn't use them anymore.
File management only still worked because Konqueror/KDE4 came with its own (old and unmaintained) copy of dolphin/KDE4, as dolphin was released as Qt5/KF5 version over 2 years ago already.

Fedora 26 has no konqueror-plugins package, I am afraid. The only available packages are:

Well, I know nothing about Fedora and it's packaging.
openSUSE does have konqueror-plugins and that does contain the filter bar for the file management part.
Maybe Fedora has it in the main konqueror package, or removed it, no idea.

Do you have the file /usr/share/dolphinpart/kpartplugins/dirfilterplugin.desktop on your system?

But just to avoid a misunderstanding, I mean this:


If you mean something else, please clarify.

I will check with my openSUSE desktop when I return back home.

We are almost on the same page. I do understand how Konq was working. I don't know all the details about the ported/non-ported parts though.
Now, about the filter/sidebar:

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ls -l /usr/share/dolphinpart/kpartplugins/dirfilterplugin.desktop
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 6977 May   6 16:10 /usr/share/dolphinpart/kpartplugins/dirfilterplugin.desktop


So, it is there.
But, I don't have any option in the menus to activate it! And I don't see any shortcut either. So, I am guessing it's not loaded. I have to check with the openSUSE as well.

OK, checked in my openSUSE (42.3) latest updates installed.
The /usr/share/dolphinpart/kpartplugins/dirfilterplugin.desktop is there
BUT, no search filter.
How did you activated it? I mean, I cannot find any menu entry and there is no shortcut either!