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imported4-Carlos
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Hi,

First let me congratulate you for this wonderful software. I liked it so much that I decided to translated it for my language (pt_BR).

Now, with version 3.2, I decided to move away from Vuze, since now I feel that KTorrent have almost all the features of it, without all that Java fat.

But I'm missing two small things that Vuze had, and I suggest you to implement them in a next release:

1- A column in the main window, to sort torrents by the position in the queue. Something like in Vuze, a number symbol #, with a tooltip saying "Position in the queue".

2- The queue manager in Vuze have the ability to seed more than the number of torrents defined, if you are not leeching any torrent. In my case I have setup KTorrent to leech one and seed one, but when I'm not leeching I want it to seed two torrents.

Thanks.
Lain_13
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Tue May 19, 2009 7:21 pm
I already suggested integration of queue manager directly into kTorrent like in uTorrent. I hope it will happen sooner or later.


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Kalessin
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Wed May 20, 2009 9:42 am
Having a column in the main window for the queue number isn't a bad idea, but I, for one, don't want anything in the main window to affect the queue. I want to be able to sort the torrents in the main window in various ways without affecting the queue - and since you can't currently arbitrarily re-arrange torrents in the main window (they're always sorted by one of the columns), queue integration with the main window couldn't happen without substantially changing how the main window works.

Personally, I see no benefit in combing the queue and the main torrent window. You can rearrange the torrents as much as you'd like in the queue without needing the main window at all. I see no gain in complicating the main window by combining it with the queue. The extra column of queue position to sort by in the main window might be nice, but it shouldn't alter the queue in any way.

I can see some benefit in having the queue window react to the main window by doing things like moving to the torrent in the queue when selecting that torrent in the main window, but the queue is a totally separate thing from a window which allows you to view and sort torrents. And the fact that there are tabs and groups for the main window would _really_ complicate any attempt at integrating the main window with the queue.

A column in the main window which shows a torrent's position in the queue could be useful, but I definitely don't want the main window to take on the queue's functionality.
Lain_13
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Wed May 20, 2009 6:51 pm
Kalessin
I really like how it implemented in uTorrent. I proposed to make something similar.

Additional tab with list of torrents have a lot of limitations:
- you have limited information about selected torrent (only order, name, status and stalled time);
- you can't look at torren's files, detailed status, e.t.c;
- you can't perform any operations with torrents instead of changing order in queue (there is no context menu and buttons from top panel didn't work);
- you can't change position for 2 or more torrents at once (because you can't select 2 or more torrents).

Is it good? I think it isn't.

I propose to add:
- "order" and "time stalled" columns in main window;
- buttons for changing position in queue on the top bar (actually these buttons are optional);
- submenu in context menu "queue order"
- group "queue" with default sorting by "order" column and filtering by queued torrents.


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Kalessin
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Thu May 21, 2009 3:12 am
Well, I've never used uTorrent, so I can't compare. However, I don't see why you'd need all that information in the queue. The queue is for ordering torrents. The main window is for viewing information on them. You can see all the information you need in the main window. Some additional columns might be nice, but all the information is there. All the queue really needs to do is give you the order of the torrents and allow you to reasonably easily reorder them. Some additional functionality such as being able to reorder multiple at once would be nice, but all the necessary functionality is there.

I'm not entirely opposed to combining the main window and the queue, but they serve two very different functions. In the main window, the sort order has nothing to do with the queue order, so you can't just simply make the main window the queue. In addition, you have multiple tabs in the main window - unlike the queue (and it would likely be a nightmare to figure out how to deal with multiple tabs for the queue). I can see adding some functionality to the main window that affects the queue, but not a true integration of the two.

Buttons in the main window to allow you to affect the queue could work, but they seem superfluous as long as the torrents in the queue are easily locatable (which could be made easier by functionality such as having the selected torrent in the queue be affected by the selected torrent in the main window just as the tabs in the info plugin are). Sure, you could have the move up, move down, move to the top, etc. buttons in the main window, but they'd have to be moving torrents in the queue, not the main window, or you'd be seriously altering how the main window works. And if they're going to just move stuff in the queue tab, why not just move it in the queue tab itself?

I'm certainly up for improvements to the main window and the queue in ktorrent, and I don't know how uTorrent does it, so I can't compare and maybe ktorrent should do it more like uTorrent does, but I'm not at all convinced that the queue should be integrated into the main window. Some added functionality to link the two a bit better would be nice, but the main window and the queue serve two very different functions. In addition, depending on how the two were combined, it could seriously limit the options for other enhancements to either the queue or the main window.
imported4-Carlos
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Thu May 21, 2009 3:58 pm
I also don't see the need to merge queue and torrent windows, just a column to display what is going on with the queue will help a lot.

I never used uTorrent, so I can't tell if their approach works or not, but in Vuze there is no problem managing your torrents in a single window, since you can rearrange them quite easily.

Thanks for the replys.
Lain_13
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Thu May 21, 2009 7:58 pm
I haven't proposed to hardcode any restrictions or special functionality into main window. :)

Sorting shouldn't affect queue order in queue tab. In this tab items will be sorted by "order" by default but user can sort them like he want. If he want to sort them by name here... why not?

Up/Down and other buttons will give user ability to move items in queue from any place even without looking at queue. Not queued items will be automatically added to queue if user will try to move them.


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