My opinion is that more than an advance is being a step back, they have damaged tools that worked very well, like for example the assistant to change the speed of the clips or even invest them from the project folder for a new version that according to values ​​does not work.

They have messed up the effects, something that was very correct as it was before. Some effects such as speed have been eliminated instead of improved by an option that is not bad and I like it.

The solution to the problems that the keyframe that is inserted in the default effects was now fixed, can not be moved ...

A little disappointed although I have no complaint from the team some bugs that I have been reporting have been solved, others not.

My opinion is that if something goes well better not to touch it unless it is to introduce improvements ... and mess up the effects was something that all the people with whom I have commented this liked and now the new order does not like nothing.

I would like to know opinions.

Thank you.

rafamar wrote:My opinion is that if something goes well better not to touch it unless it is to introduce improvements ...

regressions are sometimes created by an old effect (not updated) that can't be applyed to the new formats/structure... and well.. i think that bugged effects needs to be REMOVED from Kdenlive (waiting for a rewrite/fix)
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about 19.04 i can't say nothing because the first release of a new version came ALWAYS with a lot of bugs.. but the 19.04.2d is the best version i've used, a lot of old bugs fixed, finally it is also MORE STABLE on Windows 10 ... i'm very happy about this release, the only negative thing is that the COMMA/POINT issue (of decimal points) on 19.04.xx versions is MUCH ACCENTUATED. (this forced me to change from COMMA to POINT on Windows geographical/localization settings)

BTW i'm telling this because i'm using the Kdenlive only for scene fading/titles .. i don't use any other effect because i know that they are a lot older (code of effects i mean) , and bugged.. i stopped using keyframes on 18.10.xx waiting for a proper fix.

for my use the 19.04.02d and 19.04.02-3 are great.. i make a lot of videos this year, much more than on 2018.

[quote="bartoloni"]
I'll go testing the current versions.
But the assistant to change the speed of the project folder in version 18.12 did not give problems and it was very good, now the new tool is very bad.
The order of the effects in version 18.12 was great, now it's very bad, I know they are unimportant things, but these little things if an application is not taken care of can lose points.
I have written more than 20 tutorials about kdenlive in Spanish because there was little information in this language ... now with a version that I dare not recommend for these steps back I do not feel encouraged to write about kdenlive.
Thank you very much for your answer.

Well I had been loving 19.0.4.2-3 after the audio crash bug was fixed. A few small issues popped up but I was able to work around them. This was until I just now realized the speed effect was removed, another deal breaker for me. It might have been buggy for some but under 18.12.2 it was working for what I was using it for. Several of my projects are dependent on slowing down sports clips. Is there any other way in kdenlive to make a clip slowmo or do I need to go back to 18.12.2 for now?

[quote="DigitalDeviant"]
The wonderful assistant that worked so well in the project folder has been replaced by a useless tool that now is useless and does not work as it should.

Effectively, the speed effect has been eliminated, they have not been able to improve or fix it and they have opted for a solution that only highlights their bad way of working.

Now to change the speed to a clip you have to do it from the timeline by giving a secondary button on the clip in question and choosing the option "Change speed". I must say that he does his job well and at the moment he has not given me any problems, but the control he had before adjusting the speed of a clip we have lost, without a doubt ... I am already looking at other alternatives, I can not stand kdenlive and its constant errors, get to the world of free applications from the hand of blender more than 15 years ago and when these people update is always a great improvement, the same happens with gimp, inkscape, etc ... without However today I do not have an open source video application to work with the video editing ... kdenlive is still not up to work professionally ... soon I will be working with OliveVideoEditor, a marvel in alpha state and with fewer errors and more efficiency than kdenlive.

Hum, before getting crazy and dramatically complaining, have you asked about your issue on IRC/Telegram, or on this forum?
It seems most of (all?) your problems come from not finding/controlling the speed effect, which is only a tiny part of the video editor.
Actually, it is even surprising that you used it before: there were so many bugs reported for it, hard to fix with the old code!
Regarding effects, we just have hidden the ones that we couldn't make work; one mistake was that the search function was looking only in one category, but this was soon reported and fixed...
Now several professional editors have completed big projects and the feedback is that new version is much more robust (almost never crashes anymore, nor falls into corrupted states) and smoother. But agreed that this is for certain workflows, some with special uses we don't anticipate can get stuck, then we encourage to come telling your story on our chat channel, maybe report the bug if not already done, so that we can fix it quickly.
In the meantime, you can still work with 18.12 appimage, and test from time to time the 19.04 updates if we have solved your problems.
Thanks anyway for testing, and please explain precisely what you want (not just "was better before")

[quote="vpinon"]
I already reported the bugs and in some of them if they listened to me, like the error of composition of tracks, in others that I reported they are still there without paying attention to them, so I got tired of wasting my time.

If a "before worked better" needs more explanations, I want to run, I think it's very clear that the previous assistant to manipulate the speed of the clips from the project folder was much better than the option that is given now to create the .mlt and above it does it with errors and it does not work as it should (bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408647 at the moment I am ignored), regarding the disappearance of the speed effect I consider it a pity, although it failed a lot and caused errors in negative values, which could have been removed, at the same time it was very practical for allowing to adjust in a precise way in a visual way, the current only takes a percentage, if it took time it would be perfect. But it's the same, I do not want to give more work to the kdenlive team, anyway they ignore me.

All this comes as a result of the direction of a school I was asked to see if I could do a series of tutorials on an open source video editor, I was proposed Pitivi, I found it too basic (maybe I underestimated it) ... after trying several options I decided on kdenlive, despite all its mistakes.

Maybe I've been too involved and now I'm unhappy because I see the new version as a step back. I even got to say that to edit video should not be necessary to know computer ... I've even been asked if I can find another application that is not so problematic and all this comes with the 19.04 messy effects menus, now if you do not remember the name of the effect you can take a long time to find it, before the order and classification were perfect, very professional. And then the amount of errors, over the feeling that I have when I notify bugs is that I fall ill ...

So I think I'll park kdenlive and dedicate to continue researching other options. And one will think that the problem is me, but with Blender, gimp and some more applications that I use professionally and I even make some donations for their development, these things do not happen to me. I even lived in 2011 the big change that Blender gave from version 2.49 to 2.50 ... at the beginning I was shocked, but after a while its good functioning and the great improvement of the interface got me to forget the 2.49 very quickly.

Sorry for the long writing, I do not understand programming and I put a lot of love in this application, really the fault is mine. But audiovisual if I understand, in fact I earn my living with it, and the simplicity of messing up the effects already bothers me because it is not an improvement is like a joke in bad taste. It is as if the kdenlive team seek to intentionally lose users.

P.S. The web of kde is too complicated, I find it hard to find things, I do not know the irc or telegram chat ... and now I am involved trying OliveVideoEditor with which I just committed to translate into Spanish, make tutorials and video tutorials. So I do not know if I will have a lot of time to dedicate to kdenlive after all the one I have dedicated to him. I do not know if you read in Spanish but there are 23 extensive tutorials written with their corresponding videos to publicize and help people with this application. (to these you can add 3 more that I have written and I still have to make the video, but for now I have the project stopped) Even I was venturing with video composition projects, well if I get stuck with Olive maybe I'll return to the kdenlive project. ..

Thanks for your response and advice.

I'm not 100% sure I understand this but I'm guessing what you mean is that now the speed control isn't a separate effect there is no slider to adjust? OK, I can sort of understand that but not to the degree of the deal your making of it. It's way more accurate, for me at least, to manually enter the desired % anyway. My issue there is that I cannot manually enter a value here anymore, I have to hit the up/down arrow icon and it only increments of 1% at a time. I cannot get decimal accuracy (i.e. 12.5% is either 12% or 13%). I also have that issue with the edit duration dialog and I'll submit a bug report sometime when I get a chance, probably next week if it's not already been submitted or fixed.

As for reordering the effects, do you mean the fact that they broke the effects into categories? That's the only change in order I see, everything is still basically alphabetical. If that's what you mean now you're really nitpicking. This is certainly an improvement, albeit somewhat minor, for beginners and advanced users. This makes it easier for you to get to an effect that you know you want without having to sift so much through a scroll list and if you aren't sure what effects do, this gives you a basic idea based on what category.

[quote="DigitalDeviant"]
If now it is like this, without effect, directly on the timeline.
I am now trying Olive video Editor, still in the alpha phase, but very good, very well written and a concept very similar to premiere and very professional.

kdenlive speed change


Olive speed change

it's worth trying

Thank you for the suggestion.

As the speed effect is under improvement I added your input here: https://invent.kde.org/kde/kdenlive/issues/195
and here. https://invent.kde.org/kde/kdenlive/issues/224

I in version 18.12 have this option from the project folder


Now I have this tool, but I do not understand how a simple tool, like the previous one, that worked well is changed by a version that does not offer any improvement and is not a development of the previous one but it is an involution

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In relation to the eliminated effect of speed, it was an effect that its concept was great, you could have a visual control and in real time of the changes, it was very useful to me.

From my point of view I only had two defects, the negative values ​​and the overlap with other clips when their speed was reduced. I do not understand programming and I do not know the possibilities, but I do know that it should be possible to rescue this wonderful and simple effect and that it can only work in a range of 1% to 1000% for example (we already eliminated the problem of negative numbers) . And then the problem of when it slows down, therefore increases its duration and collides with a clip that is ahead, I do not know if it would be possible to send a warning that this is happening? and block the effect before a menu that gives us the option to set the effect in this value, this is very useful if we want to fill a gap. If we want to slow down more then simply move the next clip increasing the gap.

The current tool of the timeline can remain there, for values ​​that we decide (for example, to double the speed 200%, which lasts twice as much 50%) or to revert a clip is perfect. But the previous tool is even much better than Olive's option or even professional applications. For those of us who work in the audiovisual world, it is an excellent tool. The current one is something that every video editor worth his salt should have.

Thank you for your thoughts and imputs.

In all the years, the Kdenlive code was added without a lot of attention for architecture and it became impossible to add advanced features without breaking everything. So the developers started in 2017 rewriting the code. With the release of 19.04 we have now a well-designed code on which we can make changes and updates without breaking everything. So we cannot go back anymore as 60% of the code base was changed.

Back to topic. Your first point I added here: https://invent.kde.org/kde/kdenlive/issues/262.

The second point is here addressed: https://invent.kde.org/kde/kdenlive/issues/195.

What do you mean by "the previous tool"? The screenshot of 18.12 above?

BTW: I'm still thinking about an answer of the effect sorting https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408085. Under misc. are still too many effects which should be sorted into a folder as well. I made a comparison with Premiere, AVID and Final Cut Pro and you are right the actual sorting is not the best. Give me some time and I come back.

Thank you Merlimau
I am referring to the effect that was eliminated in 19.04 called "Speed" in 18.12 and earlier, its concept was wonderful.
With fixing it to only work with positive numbers ... and what I said in the previous comment would be even innovative.

Aah, I see. I added to https://invent.kde.org/kde/kdenlive/iss ... #note_7770.

Merlimau wrote:Aah, I see. I added to https://invent.kde.org/kde/kdenlive/iss ... #note_7770.

thank you