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Pan and Zoom do not work to merge two video clips

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michielp
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:'( To my disappointment, I cannot use Pan and Zoom to create a movie in which multiple video clips are merged with each in a frame on the screen. Neither can I use Crop, Scale and Position! :'(
What I want to achieve is rather simple: a video that contains of two (or more) video clips each in a corner of the screen. In fact it is a music video where each musician gets his own corner of the screen while they play together.
I have partly succeeded using the Composite transition but this can only merge two videos and needs another effect to resize the first video. Not an elegant nor a complete solution. Pan an Zoom or Crop, Scale and Position seem to be the designated effects for what I want.
What happens is that I can scale and position the first clip but the second clip does not show! Its position is indicated with yellow lines but the video does not show, neiteh in preview nor in rendered mode. See link. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_5L21YnKrfoWk9ZbnlCSkFjRGM/edit?usp=sharing

Any help is greatly appreciated!
(I am running kdenlive 0.9.8 on Ubuntu 12.04)
normcross
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There should be no problem with this and I think I know the reason.

Saying that, it would really help if you could post a shot of your timelines just in case I'm wrong. A section will do showing these clips.

Cheers.
michielp
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:) It would be great if you could help me. My timelines are just two simple video's, nothing special. Can you please lift a veil of the solution you have in mind? Does it perhaps make a difference what the format of the clips is? Mine are in webm format.

Regards, Michiel
normcross
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OK, in the video below I threw together four rubbishy old clips. Using a Composite transition between each with pan and zoom at 50% they were adjusted to the four corners. They all show and play ok, well they will when rendered, as you will see.

The second set of clips use Crop etc. Much the same effect but cropped. The clip on track 1 uses crop to cut a section out of the top of the clip. It then uses pan and zoom to move the cropped clip to the bottom left corner.

Hope this gives you a rough idea. Sorry for the poor very rushed video. Better full screen.

http://youtu.be/Ysm-RGUuXsk
michielp
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:) Yes it works now! Apparently you have to combine Pan&Zoom or ZoomCrop&Position with Composition. I would have thought that the former effects were enough because that would make sense to me but at least I now know how to do it! o)
R??miD
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Hello
My problem is exactly the title of this topic : I used "pan and zoom" effect and "composite" transition to divide the screen in two then three parts, for inclusion of téléphonoqies calls. The problem is that since yesterday, when I change anything that evening in the project (if I move the clips, change the value of one keyframe..., the value of keyframes are correct but the images don't folow keyframes instructions.... And failure persites when I render my poject (http://youtu.be/Wb2gCRjS7r4) ... Anybody knows a trick to avoid or get around this bug ?
Thank you in advance !


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