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The Hat!

Sun May 20, 2012 10:04 pm
In advance, sorry for the bad english, my primary language is Portuguese (Brazil).

This is my first experience with Krita (2.4) and it's been done entirely using Krita.
And no, I don't know how I had the mad idea for the painting.............
So I present you... The Hat!

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Source file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38753783/the%20hat.kra

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It's being a great experience discovering Krita and the brush capabilities... It's an amazing software.
I can't remember now any issues i must have had with it... Maybe just the zoom tool was a thing that really "broke" my "workflow", because for the other tools the tablet pen button click would use the hand to drag the canvas but with the zoom it didn't, and I kept forgetting that every time when using the zoom tool.

Now, kinda changing the subject, I'd like to contribute in more direct ways with Krita. I'm a programming student as well, and I think I could learn a lot by getting the source code and trying to contribute with something.
There's one thing that I've been thinking would be nice to implement although I don't know if it's even possible...
I'm a former Photoshop user (and I've been using Gimp for game concept art in a school project). I use the .abr brushes a lot, and when you load them in PS it loads all of the preferences of that brush, like pressure, scatter, etc, that actually makes the brush great. Maybe there is a way for Krita to load an .abr brush and read these preferences and convert them to something similar in it's brush preferences.
Anyway, I'd be very happy to collaborate in any way.


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Sun May 20, 2012 11:00 pm
Hi yurifidelis,

First of all, congratulations for your painting!
It is really nice and I am very glad you made it with Krita :-)

I am sure your offer to contribute to Krita as programmer will be very much appreciated!

More precisely, Lukáš Tvrdý , one Krita developer, added in the past the support for some features of the .abr format.
I suppose only the "basic" features of the .abr brushes are supported right now on Krita (perhaps the "oldest" ones).

For example, you can take a look at this blog of Lukas himself where he explained his past work on the .abr format:
http://lukast.mediablog.sk/log/?p=266

P.s: I hope some Krita's developers will give you much more hints concerning this topic ;-)

Best regards and keep painting on Krita :-)
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Mon May 21, 2012 1:03 am
Thank you, Silvio, the article was really clarifying on the subject, and it's great to know that there's someone working in getting the abr presets to work with Krita. Now I have a place to start! (or at least try)


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Mon May 21, 2012 3:13 am
Silvio is right, but...

We *always* welcome any help with making Krita better! I suggest subscribing to the Krita mailing list where most discussion about development and features takes place. (#krita on IRC at freenode.net is a good place too).

Anyway, welcome! We're happy to have you here! I love your painting, too. Crazy stuff. :D
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Mon May 21, 2012 5:07 am
Thanks, Kubuntiac, I'm already subscribed and getting the latest version with your script.


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Mon May 21, 2012 7:19 am
It would indeed be interesting to extend the abr importer with a translator from photoshop parameters to krita parameters -- we support as many if not more params than photoshop. From the top of my head, only the double brush tip feature and some of the texture params aren't present in some way or another in Krita.

Though I think that as people get used to Krita, and start discovering the power of the native brushes they'll use their abr brush packs less and less.
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Mon May 21, 2012 8:10 am
First, very nice painting!

yurifidelis wrote:Now, kinda changing the subject, I'd like to contribute in more direct ways with Krita. I'm a programming student as well, and I think I could learn a lot by getting the source code and trying to contribute with something.
There's one thing that I've been thinking would be nice to implement although I don't know if it's even possible...
I'm a former Photoshop user (and I've been using Gimp for game concept art in a school project). I use the .abr brushes a lot, and when you load them in PS it loads all of the preferences of that brush, like pressure, scatter, etc, that actually makes the brush great. Maybe there is a way for Krita to load an .abr brush and read these preferences and convert them to something similar in it's brush preferences.
Anyway, I'd be very happy to collaborate in any way.


I can help you with this abr thing. It is still on my mind and I would love to see support of the abr presets in Krita.
I could mentor you for this task as I have interest in it (btw I think there is still chance of the KDE Summer Of Code, not sure, not that important)

So just try to install some IRC client, or go through our web tool [1] and ping me there, my nick is LukasT.

Cheers

[1] http://krita.org/chat


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Mon May 21, 2012 8:47 am
Thank you for the replies. I agree with the fact that Krita's engine has much more capabilities than the PS engine for painting, but it is still a valid issue to insist on considering that a lot of the great brushes you find for painting on the net are abr. And it's surely GREAT to attract new users.
I've been making some comparisons between the two programs engines, looking at the action plan page. There is one single great feature that I think, if implemented in Krita, would make abr importing nearly perfect. Smoothing. It really gives your strokes a more painterly feel, it's one of these very very small details that end up making a big difference in the final work.

An interesting topic to discuss also would be Corel Painter brushes, but I don't use that one for a long time now and can't remember anything about it's presets. But that's another story...


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Mon May 21, 2012 8:56 am
Corel painter brushes probably won't ever be supported. Their brush engine is so distant from ours! Line smoothing is something we very much want -- see bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281267
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Mon May 21, 2012 9:15 am
Oh, so you took at look at the format? That's interesting to know.... I can imagine how the engines differ, also I think the Painter brushes are quite limited, as you're limited to the presets of supposed real life tools it gives you.

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Mon May 21, 2012 9:24 am
No, no -- I don't think the painter brushes are limited -- they are just really different. I took a look at the xml files that describe them, and it looks like all of painter's brushes are done by just one really powerful brush engine.
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Mon May 21, 2012 9:35 am
Haha, sorry, I just typed wrong. I meant that *I* think the brushes are limited, not you. Sorry.


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Mon May 21, 2012 1:53 pm
Interesting thread about brushes engines, can i join? :D
first of all, welcome Yurifidelis. your painting is fun and crazy. it has a good traditional look at lower part. so i hope to see more from you asap. and if you want to help with code is more than welcome! we always need help in that field.

We cant compare Corel and Photoshop. Their brushes engines are really different. I remember corel painter brushes or presets and they had huge amount of parameters to play with really confussing for a new user. And PS it has also a powerful brush engine with lot of features but also limitations.
I dont like to compare because each soft has advantages and disadvantages. So its better to try innovate in the desired area, not only copy. And i think Krita has a lot of wonderful features to create stunning pictures. Of course ideas are welcome and yes there is a huge amount of ABR brushes out there. But i preffer investigate how can be done with what we have :D


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Mon May 21, 2012 4:26 pm
Thanks, Ramón, and thanks for your great work with Krita.
I also think we shouldn't just go and copy everything around, and Krita's team is doing a good job I think, of not doing that.
But that shouldn't stop us from getting inspired in other applications to make Krita better, you know.
The key is not just to implement it, but make it better than it originally was, like Krita did with the Particle brushes, for example.
Brush smoothing for example, wouldn't just be useful for abr importing if implemented, the whole big set of native brushes would benefit from it. And for someone who has never got in touch with it to know that it has all the features they're used to in this proprietary software AND much more.... for free. wouldn't that be just great?

Anyway I think Krita can do that and rule the world. ;)


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