colomar wrote:

notmart wrote:yes, i can add margins, tough i wanted to keep it coherent as a pattern with the wallpaper selection (splashscreen and lockscreen selection already looks the same as well)

That's not how the VDG envisions the wallpaper selection, though. There is currently design work going on for that ( viewtopic.php?f=285&t=122233 ) and it contains margins as well. Thumbnails sitting right next to one another without any margins does not fit the Breeze design in general, see also the Placement HIG.

ok, so all the 4 dialogs should get thumbnails like
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ir6khzg803fjw ... Module.png

notmart wrote:[
ok, so all the 4 dialogs should get thumbnails like
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ir6khzg803fjw ... Module.png

I guess so, yes, but I'd like to give anditosan, the author of both mockups, the chance to confirm that.

notmart wrote:ok, so all the 4 dialogs should get thumbnails like
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ir6khzg803fjw ... Module.png

I'd rather place all content onto one page. The sidebar is intended as selection for the KCM (it's not part of the actual module) depending on the category which is chosen at the toolbar.
Sorry for being too short, I'm quite busy today.

Heiko Tietze wrote:I'd rather place all content onto one page. The sidebar is intended as selection for the KCM (it's not part of the actual module) depending on the category which is chosen at the toolbar.
Sorry for being too short, I'm quite busy today.

That's our intended design, yes, but I understand it that what we see here is the first step towards that.

If possible, can you code the design as containing the borders on the images on a gray background? I say this because I intended to imitate the system settings idea so that it spreads through configuration modules.

to recap, it's now merged and testable, very basic but i would go for barebone for 5.1 release.
as playing with the thumbnails, to make it look like the proposed wallpaper thumbnails, i tried something like that:


There is a bit of spacing and margins. One thing that doesn't seem to convince much is how the white border looks with the thumbnails that have a white panel (in general every one that has the same or near color of the border near the borders of the image) wonder if one pixel or darker border around the image is needed.

1) Marco this is awesome
2) Is it possible - and just me asking because it would be even awesomner - is it possible to be able to set panel placement and widgets as well? Like "Oh Joe Blahblah's amazing super theme has a top panel 100% spread, this widget, plasma, icon and color theme and a Homerun Kicker menu in top panel, furthest left, expanding tasks in the middle and clock on furthest right"?

jensreuterberg wrote:1) Marco this is awesome
2) Is it possible - and just me asking because it would be even awesomner - is it possible to be able to set panel placement and widgets as well? Like "Oh Joe Blahblah's amazing super theme has a top panel 100% spread, this widget, plasma, icon and color theme and a Homerun Kicker menu in top panel, furthest left, expanding tasks in the middle and clock on furthest right"?

I'm not sure.
Perhaps and for sure the things that can be set will increase with the releases.
Changing widgets layout would be destructive as would wipe out what's in right now, so the possible danger in that action and what would mean should be taken into account before trying to implement that.

A few comments on the current 5.1 as presented in Notmart's blog post :

• I think the name of the L&F package should be displayed in the KCM. For now there are only two, but in the future I think it would be possible that two package look almost the same in the preview, but are actually different. So it should be displayed.
• If I understand well the concept, it may change the Plasma theme, the login theme, the mouse cursor, application theme, color scheme, etc... but maybe not all of them. Is there a way to know that before applying it ?
• What happens if I select a theme, and then go change only the application cursor theme to something different ? Will the L&F package still be selected, while the current look & feel of the environment is actually different ? Or would it switch to a new "custom" theme ?

Ideas for future releases :

• a way to see author and version of the L&F package, for when GHNS support is added.
• an utility to create easily a L&F package from the current custom settings, where you select which elements you want to add to the package. It could automatically upload it to the GHNS server if you have an account, or send it to another computer via KDE Connect.
• You could have an owncloud plugin for syncing the Look & Feel of your desktop accross different devices.

AGuiFr wrote:[*]What happens if I select a theme, and then go change only the application cursor theme to something different ? Will the L&F package still be selected, while the current look & feel of the environment is actually different ? Or would it switch to a new "custom" theme ?[/list]

yes is possible to change any detail, the same package remains selected

AGuiFr wrote:Ideas for future releases :

• a way to see author and version of the L&F package, for when GHNS support is added.
• an utility to create easily a L&F package from the current custom settings, where you select which elements you want to add to the package. It could automatically upload it to the GHNS server if you have an account, or send it to another computer via KDE Connect.
• You could have an owncloud plugin for syncing the Look & Feel of your desktop accross different devices.

Yes to everything!
Being able to save the current setup as a new theme is what anditosan had in mind, too, so yes, we really want that.

That could also solve the problem of the "destructive" nature of themes incorporating desktop/panel layouts which Marco mentioned: When selecting a new theme, the user could just be asked whether they want to save the current setup as a new theme (or it could even be automatically saved as "previous setup") so nothing would be lost.

notmart wrote:yes is possible to change any detail, the same package remains selected

I think having a package selected while your desktop doesn't look like on the preview would be confusing. And with the current way System Settings is done, I think it is technically very difficult to detect if the user changed something and add a "custom" package which would be selected instead. In the future design, it could be prevented by allowing customisation of the different elements of the Look & Feel only if the "custom" theme is selected.

I think L&F package is an excellent idea, but this is a feature aimed at easing customisation for beginners and to add polish to Plasma, not something that is an absolute need for the next version. In my humble opinion, I'd rather wait for it to be completely implemented within a new KCM than having something sooner in the current System Settings if it introduces some confusing things like the above. But maybe you can easily solve this issue.

I can try to do the "current" one that can be saved, tough not easy since technically is always using the old package no matter how many individual things get configured, so it's no easy to notice, but can try, not sure if for 5.1.

Anyways, still waiting an answer: is the thumbnail look in last screenshot ok to be propagated to the other places?

jensreuterberg wrote:2) Is it possible - and just me asking because it would be even awesomner - is it possible to be able to set panel placement and widgets as well? Like "Oh Joe Blahblah's amazing super theme has a top panel 100% spread, this widget, plasma, icon and color theme and a Homerun Kicker menu in top panel, furthest left, expanding tasks in the middle and clock on furthest right"?

So, this seems a bit different, a full "experience" compared to just "look and feel"
a look is something superficial, not destructive, an "experience" is changing how the desktop behaves, even breaking a current layout.
so we can have them as different entities, and how they relate to each other? are the same thing? are they orthogonal?

they can be chosen in the same kcm, maybe with just an option "enable full experience" that warns that is destructive
or they can be chosen in two different kcms, and one experience, like "mac desktop" would lock to allow a single lnf, that is mac "look"