I hope I'm not too late for this, but I think I have something that should definitely be fixed.

It seems to become more and more common to use buttons in different pressed states to let the user toggle individual settings on and off. Two examples are the YuiKey personalization tool (written in PyQT I guess) and KeePassX2 (native Qt application).

Unfortunately, these kinds of option toggles do not work at all in Breeze. Let me show you an example:

Here all buttons are pressed (i.e. all options are enabled):


Here all buttons are unpressed (i.e. all options are disabled):

Looks pretty much the same, huh? The edges are a little more shadowy but that's it.

Okay then, let's make it more confusing. Here is the same set of options, but this time only the first one is enabled:

If you look closely, you see that the first button is slightly pushed to the bottom right. But only ever so slightly. You really need look carefully.

In Oxygen I have no problem at all distinguishing the different button states:

Hi Manko,
That's a very valid issue. I'll try come up with something.
Checking "fusion" (the native Qt5 widget style), they grey the button on mouse press, and it stays so when it is checked down.
Our case is somewhat different, because our buttons gets the mouse-over color on mouse press. We should not re-use the same color, when button is checked down but no mouse-over. I guess we could, however, use the same grey as for checked toolbuttons. I'll try to experiment with this.

Yes that mouse-over color makes it even more confusing. The issue is less so in KeePassX but in the YubiKey Personalization Tool I needed quite some time to figure out what these buttons actually do. I clicked one and it turned blue. Then I clicked another one and the first button became gray and now this one was blue. I already had no idea what these buttons were supposed to to when I clicked somewhere else and both became gray. That gave me a really hard time figuring out what I was actually configuring there.

Thanks for looking into it.

ok, with grey background for checked down buttons, kcalc would look like this



I think this is clearly an improvement, which is also consistent between standard buttons and toolbuttons.
opinions ?

Oh yeah, right. kcalc is also an application that suffers from indistinguishable button states.

Looks good to me. Only thing that looks a bit weird is that the button is still offset by one pixel to the bottom right. That's fine for normal button presses, but looks weird when the state is sticky and buttons are aligned vertically like in kalc. But I guess that's nothing you can really change without introducing inconsistencies, right?

Manko10 wrote:Oh yeah, right. kcalc is also an application that suffers from indistinguishable button states.

Looks good to me. Only thing that looks a bit weird is that the button is still offset by one pixel to the bottom right. That's fine for normal button presses, but looks weird when the state is sticky and buttons are aligned vertically like in kalc. But I guess that's nothing you can really change without introducing inconsistencies, right?

yeah exactly.
I agree it looks weird but then, pressed is pressed. You cannot have an offset in one case (pressed-down then up), and not in the other (pressed down, then stay down).
Personnally I'd remove these offsets alltogether, but this was a design choice from the beginning.

Very well then. Ship it, I would say.

hugo.pereira@free.fr wrote:

Manko10 wrote:Oh yeah, right. kcalc is also an application that suffers from indistinguishable button states.

Looks good to me. Only thing that looks a bit weird is that the button is still offset by one pixel to the bottom right. That's fine for normal button presses, but looks weird when the state is sticky and buttons are aligned vertically like in kalc. But I guess that's nothing you can really change without introducing inconsistencies, right?

yeah exactly.
I agree it looks weird but then, pressed is pressed. You cannot have an offset in one case (pressed-down then up), and not in the other (pressed down, then stay down).
Personnally I'd remove these offsets alltogether, but this was a design choice from the beginning.

Or at least go with only a downward offset; the button doesn't need to move with the light-source.

Kver wrote:Or at least go with only a downward offset;

Yeah. But that still creates disalignments. Not on the kcalc screenshot, but on buttons located side by side. So not much gain by doing so with respect to the current solution.

Kver wrote:the button doesn't need to move with the light-source.

Agreed on that (meaning "perspective != light source). In fact, the first few releases of breeze style had no offset at all. Only reaction on mouse press was that the shadow was removed. But then, this was changed explicitly, if only to provide more feedback on mouse press.
Note that the same offset is also used when pressing checkboxes and radio buttons.

Today I tried Kubuntu 15.10 in a Live Session and I have to share some thoughts:

* After trying different Plasma configurations a visual glitch happened. While looking into detail I found that the blue bar that appears at the bottom of the task bar was smaller, lighter or whatever. For me it looks better than before. One of my main complains about this bar is the fact that you cannot delete it (this annoys me). Creating the option for making it look smaller would be really nice, here's a screenshot:



* I found a visual bug on Muon Discover, as you can see "Discover", "Installed", "Sources" and "Search" buttons are not well implemented, they don't look flat at all and I think they do not follow KF5 visual guidelines, here's an image:



* Another thing that really bugs me is the title bar of an application, it is huge. In my opinion it is a waste of space. I know that there's people who like this type of style but KDE is well-known for its customization capabilities and I think that this option should be implemented.

* Finally I want to propose a new layout for the Fullscreen Kickoff. Right now its too complicated: there are so many things to look at. What about creating an horizontal layout that is simple but effective? of course this should be an option deactivated by default, here's my proposal (note that this is only an esqueme, not actual mockup):



As you can see I tried to simplify the fullscreen launcher. I think that there's no need to say "Start typing to search..." (I don't know if this is the exact translation because I tried Kubuntu in my native language -Spanish-) so we can simply remove it. I also think that there are some inconsistencies between the main goal of breeze theme and the hovering effect on this launcher. When hovering an icon a blue square appears creating an effect of enclosure. In my mind when thinking about 'breeze' i think about 'air', 'freedom', 'sensation of space'. Therefore I think that the hovering effect should be re-designed, what about making the icon shine? (changing the contrast for example) or making it a little bit bigger (zoom effect) or maybe both.

As for now this is all I have to say, this is not a criticism but a positive feedback. I really love KDE that's why I want to collaborate. Cheers

By the way: If someone wants to polish the default look of KDE, I strongly suggest upping the default icon sizes of Dolphin to 48px (non-preview mode) with 64px (preview mode). The current 32px is way too small for any modern screen (most people have 1080p monitors) and makes Dolphin look very outdated.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350212

kde-lunarparks wrote:Today I tried Kubuntu 15.10 in a Live Session and I have to share some thoughts:

* After trying different Plasma configurations a visual glitch happened. While looking into detail I found that the blue bar that appears at the bottom of the task bar was smaller, lighter or whatever. For me it looks better than before. One of my main complains about this bar is the fact that you cannot delete it (this annoys me). Creating the option for making it look smaller would be really nice, here's a screenshot:

I just wanted to add to this that I wasn't very happy with the blue line earlier as well, but I installed 15.10 yesterday, and now I actually like it:



The icons now get a chance to be on top of the line, and can thus be a little bit bigger. I think it looks quite good now - even the icon size compared to the icon size of the systray looks decent.

Hi,

Breeze Dark and KMail don't like each other...


A lighter blue / color that's easier on the eye should be used.

kde-lunarparks wrote:

* Another thing that really bugs me is the title bar of an application, it is huge. In my opinion it is a waste of space. I know that there's people who like this type of style but KDE is well-known for its customization capabilities and I think that this option should be implemented.

I must say I am confused about the statement that the titlebar is "huge" based on the screenshot above. There is indeed very little space between the title bar text and the border of the title bar itself, and for instance, much less than the margins around text in buttons.
Based on this I would not know how to make the title bar smaller. I guess you could first try reduce the size of the font used for titlebars, then reduce the button size as well, to its minimal value. Again, I would'nt know how to make it much smaller than that ...

hugo.pereira@free.fr wrote:

kde-lunarparks wrote:

* Another thing that really bugs me is the title bar of an application, it is huge. In my opinion it is a waste of space. I know that there's people who like this type of style but KDE is well-known for its customization capabilities and I think that this option should be implemented.

I must say I am confused about the statement that the titlebar is "huge" based on the screenshot above. There is indeed very little space between the title bar text and the border of the title bar itself, and for instance, much less than the margins around text in buttons.
Based on this I would not know how to make the title bar smaller. I guess you could first try reduce the size of the font used for titlebars, then reduce the button size as well, to its minimal value. Again, I would'nt know how to make it much smaller than that ...

That's because it is already smaller in the screenshots I provided. I could achieve that by making what you said, reducing the size of the title text. If you compare the size of the title bar of Firefox in KDE 4 and Firefox in KDE 5 you'll see that it got bigger (too much in my opinion).