alake wrote:Can't say I agree about returning to a traditional tickmark for the checkbox (we went through a lot of design iteration on these forums to get to that point that I think works well and is distinctive to Breeze, and I have not yet heard of a credible reason to change it - beyond familiarity which, after well over a year now, I don't see as a credible argument). My own sentiment is strongly against this and consider this statement me waving folks off to go look in another direction for things to change.

That said, I don't have any objections to trimming them down just a touch.

Additionally, while I'm open to improvements to the animation, removing them altogether would be a no go from my perspective. From the outset we specifically did not want a yet another dead and dimensionless "flat" style and those animations were purposefully chosen to preserve some depth and life to the style.

alake wrote:Can't say I agree about returning to a traditional tickmark for the checkbox (we went through a lot of design iteration on these forums to get to that point that I think works well and is distinctive to Breeze, and I have not yet heard of a credible reason to change it - beyond familiarity which, after well over a year now, I don't see as a credible argument). My own sentiment is strongly against this and consider this statement me waving folks off to go look in another direction for things to change.

That said, I don't have any objections to trimming them down just a touch.

Additionally, while I'm open to improvements to the animation, removing them altogether would be a no go from my perspective. From the outset we specifically did not want a yet another dead and dimensionless "flat" style and those animations were purposefully chosen to preserve some depth and life to the style.

Kver wrote:

hugo.pereira@free.fr wrote:I am confused.
From the screenshot, are we talking about the shadow ? Or about the titlebar vs content background color ?
In non-dark breeze, there is a strong contrast between titlebar background and window content background for the active window.
Why is it not the case for the dark-breeze color scheme ? (From what I understand in the dark breeze, the active and inactive decoration's titlebar color is the same)
Maybe one should start by setting a "light" titlebar color for the active window in breeze.

For the shadow, implementing a "glow" for the active window (as in oxygen) is also doable of course, and this, disregarding whether we use a dark or non dark color scheme ... The only difficulty with this is: what color should we use for such glow ? The selection (=blue) color ? A completely different color ? Where should is be set ? as part as the color palette (which is not so trivial to implement) ? As part as the decoration's settings (as was the case with oxygen, but then people complained it was disconnected for the color palette) ? etc.

Oppinions welcome

Hugo

Ah, I was thinking of the overall problem that title-bars blending in was a result of no contrast between the higher and lower windows as a whole. If someone likes the 'slate' look where windows are a single colour, then I was making my provision based on that. But I may have been confused about what you meant.

Anyway, for the settings of the thing, I would default to whatever colour the widget outlines are (the ones found on buttons); which tend to be dark for light themes and light for dark themes. If we want to get 'crazy' with it maybe have a dropdown or a checkbox in the settings which toggles between "traditional shadow" (always dark), "smart shadow" (uses outline colour, new default), and "glow" (focus colour). I don't think we need to implement a full-on colour-picker like Oxygen did.

Alternatively, we could keep the shadow dark on any setting, and only apply these colours to the subtle 1px outline around the window. So, here's some specimens for what I was thinking with shadows. These aren't 100% accurate, but here's what I've got:

A) The current shadow style. 10% black outline, 20% opacity shadow.
B) Doubled the opacity of outline and shadow.
C) Pulls the outline colour from the button widget outline colour.
D) Same as C, only the outline fades out at the top, avoiding "muddy looking" titlebars for non-slate variants.
E) Oxygen-style glow based on "focus colour"
F) Outline uses focus colour, but keeps dark shadow




My personal favourite is a combination of C and D. Just like we decide to draw the separator based on whether or not the windows are using a "slab" colour scheme, we could alternate between C and D based on that as well. Use C when we have slab-style windows, and D when the titlebar is different than the window background.

Sogatori wrote:Am I allowed to copy your mockup as a task on phabricator, Ken?

hugo.pereira@free.fr wrote:The only (potentially serious) downside is the 'selected' checkboxes in menus and lists ...

alake wrote:Can't say I agree about returning to a traditional tickmark for the checkbox (we went through a lot of design iteration on these forums to get to that point that I think works well and is distinctive to Breeze, and I have not yet heard of a credible reason to change it - beyond familiarity which, after well over a year now, I don't see as a credible argument). My own sentiment is strongly against this and consider this statement me waving folks off to go look in another direction for things to change.

That said, I don't have any objections to trimming them down just a touch.

Additionally, while I'm open to improvements to the animation, removing them altogether would be a no go from my perspective. From the outset we specifically did not want a yet another dead and dimensionless "flat" style and those animations were purposefully chosen to preserve some depth and life to the style.

alake wrote:

hugo.pereira@free.fr wrote:The only (potentially serious) downside is the 'selected' checkboxes in menus and lists ...

Yup, definitely think we have some opportunities there.

Perhaps we could use the normal palette rather than the selection/highlight palette to draw the checkbox + make sure inside the checkbox boundary is filled (with the normal background color) not transparent?

schnelle wrote:Sorry if this thread is wrong place to report these Breeze issues.

Breeze is flat. Very flat. And yet this thingy is 3D glossy looking:


This part of plasma theme appears Air styled on every plasma theme: