Faster Brush Resizing

I'd love for the resize brush operation, one of the most repetitive task be made much quickie. Is it possible to have an option to remove the brush delay that comes with holding down one of the resize keys, of at least customizing the brush steps that come with a single press? An artist is generally hardly ever just wanting to go up and down a single brush size, which the current system, is best suited for
I've become very aware of how much I avoided re-sizing and sticking with a not so appropriate brush size after using the new Paintstorm software, which has a super smooth and fast resize with no delay.
Also, making the brush slider a scalable dock, which could be made much larger for people with touch screen or tablets and having the ability to rotate it 90 degrees would be sweet.

Same, Navigation in the Reference windows

Also, it be some much more intuitive if the navigation controls in the reference display were the same as the document page your working on. Forexample, having all the same pan and zoom, hotkeys.
I'd love to be able to keep the reference window relativity small and easily pan and zoom around it.

Have you used the 'shift' key resize yet? It's supossed to be the quick dirty cousin of the [ and ] keys.

Krita actually increases the steps of resize the larger the brush size is since 2.9. But believe it or not, we'd have a revolt on our hands if we made [ and ] less precise. (That doesn't meant the delay can't be removed, but I am pretty sure that the delay is put in to prevent it receiving too many keypresses, so we'll need to do a lot of testing.)

edit: shift+drag resize.

Yes I'm fully aware of the method of resizing where you have to move the stylus in a direction while hold a hotkey, which then results the brush smoothly resizing, it's a great feature and I even have it assign to a stylus button, but my point was about making this highly repetitive process as minimal as possible between brush strokes, and less of a process and more transparent.
I understand it's easy underestimate the impact of a process that already seems very quick, esp. as hardly any other systems have a faster method, but when you regard that an image can easily have 10's of thousands of brush strokes and the frequency that such a task is called upon, then I think it starts to get clearer that the tiniest of delays on massively repetitive tasks can have a massive impact and not only on the time duration, but on an artists focus too.

Undoubtedly it's the artists who work long hours, who'll truly appreciate this refinement.
I think it's one of those things you have to experience before you can truly understand. So if you haven't already check out the new competition I suggest giving the Paintstorm demo a try, and paint something for an hour. Like I said before, the fact that it had a quicker method of re-sizing, meant I was more willing to change my brush size more often, which led to better refine works.
Like you said an option to enable would be best. Personally I think the ability to customize the hotkey resize amount would be best and quickest easiest to integrate?

In Open Source software, all features will be up for discussion, this is not because we think you are dumb, but rather because we are trying to identify why unmentioned previous features don't do it for you and how to improve this easily. As such, I have explained we have the delay in because computers are much much faster than artists, and without the delay, the [ and ] keys will end up giving 1000 and 0 no matter what. Therefore, it requires fine-tuning to get to the right difference. I am telling this to you, because I want to give you knowledge about the problem and the ability to think along.

So, like I said, this needs fine-tuning. I would like you to report a wishbug with this, because little things like these get lost in the forums super quickly. You can link to this thread even. You can do this at bugs.kde.org, and as reporter you will be immediately notified when this bug is fixed.

I cannot attempt to use paintstorm, because I run ubuntu, and using wine with these kind of programs is a futile task(wine doesn't work well with tablet support).

You say PaintStorm has a "quicker method of re-sizing". How does that work? Is it faster than the "[]" and the shift drag ways? Shift drag is pretty fast, so I am not clear on what could be even faster. Or are you just referring to the "[]" method works faster on PaintStorm?

TheraHedwig, I have no idea what difficulties you face as a programmer, so thank you for the insight into the issues that need to be addressed and i'll be sure to make that wishbug report with that in mind. It is to be expected no one has reported this industry standard as an issue as it's not an issue, but an areas that could be improved, and as people are currently unaware of it's impact I'm sure there will be a lot more skepticism.
I'll make a descriptive wishbug to change the brush size during painting and explain the benefits of freeing up the pressure controls.

scottpetrovic wrote:You say PaintStorm has a "quicker method of re-sizing". How does that work? Is it faster than the "[]" and the shift drag ways? Shift drag is pretty fast, so I am not clear on what could be even faster. Or are you just referring to the "[]" method works faster on PaintStorm?

ScottPetrovic, It really is something that has to be experienced, to be understood. You really need to take 5 minutes to try out the demo. Like TheraHedwig expressed, no one has previously mentioned this as being an area that needs improving... and as none was aware it could be improved to this extent, till now.
Remember not regard the operation singularly, but a repetitive task over hours and hours.
The Paintstorm programmer is actually an extremely talented artists too, so you can see how his insight into whats good enough maybe a little more artist understanding and intuitive. I've made the decision to buy it pretty much as soon as I resized my brush. But it's no where near as feature rich as Krita is.
"Shift drag is pretty fast", It's incredibly fast, but moving you stylus away from your next brush stroke isn't intuitive in the long run, and while it's certainly works well when doing quick sketches, doing that constantly over hours it becomes more of a hindrance, and I prefer pressing the "[ ]" keys with there small delay..

MrGetdown wrote:The Paintstorm programmer is actually an extremely talented artists too, so you can see how his insight into whats good enough maybe a little more artist understanding and intuitive. I've made the decision to buy it pretty much as soon as I resized my brush. But it's no where near as feature rich as Krita is.

So are we. Your phrase indicated that we were obviously oblivious to the needs of a painter, which for me is sad especially because all the stuff for Krita I do comes from my needs as a painter.

We tried it just now on a surface pro 3, and we cannot feel any difference between paintstorm and krita's resize. What we did notice is that paintstorm's cursor outline dissapeared during the resize. For Krita the brushoutline can slow things down, but I am not sure if this is proper behaviour for paintstorm.

EDIT: Actually, Paintstorm doesn't have a brust outline like Krita does, the brush outline is only circular. This is quite a difference in complexity.

It also doesn't update the brush size slider, so it doesn't give exact feedback on the size. What really surprised me, though, about Paintstorm, is that it disappears the entire canvas contents if the zoom level goes too slow... The canvas just becomes white: I noticed that because I was wondering why the navigation panel was blank...

Sorry, my large feet seemed have stepped on a lot of pinkies on my way in. My critics and observations of Paintstorm's creator being an artist wasn't meant as a personal attack. I'm fully aware it would be very dumb of me to **** in your cup while asking you for something, please know I'm aware that would be a stupid tactic, and then review my criticisms and observations as constructive input only. I make know assumptions of you or your team but welcome any knowledge.
I'm sure you'd agree that while being a professional artist yourself it makes sense that you have a better insight into your needs as an artist then non profession artists? I'd be pleased to hear that you have the last say in the design and implementation of all the tools and ideas that go into Krita. I do not know how the Krita team work, but what I do know is it's obvious an artist or artists have had a huge influence into the development of some tools and functions. Forexample, I'd be surprised if the sharpness, settings within the brush creation panel didn't come straight from an art veteran as I find it hugely beneficial when creating traditional/natural looking brushes.

Again, looking back I hope you can see my mention of a single good feature of paintstorm was meant as an example to clarify a feature description and not meant as a, "my tools is bigger then your tool" poke. Being an artist I understand that, knee jerks defensive reaction all to well, when it comes to something that means a lot to me, but I truly did not mentions the single feature as a taint on the great work on Krita, which is why I mentioned that "krita is far more feature rich". Further more Paintstorm has obviously copied some amazing features from Krita.

My only purpose here was simple to take what I considered the best paint program (even though it's free!!) and convince the creators to refines an element. I understand if there is any reluctant at this stage. Regardless, I will still see Krita as the amazing achievement it is and continue to use it over Clipstudio, Photoshop, Painter, and Paintstorm, and hale it in external forums, because I believe it the best option for illustration.
I hope to become helpful in future.

Ahaha, don't worry about that, IRC is crawling with competent artists who use Krita to earn their bread, who all start a revolution if a feature breaks or is obnoxious(On top of the developers who, while not proffesionals, made Krita into an illustration program for a reason). They don't need me per se.

Yeah, we do always look at other programs, but sometimes, it's a bit difficult to tell if someone has found a certain feature or not, so it's always a little difficult to convey that you are diagnosing the problem and not dismissing them, and the anxiety resulting from that can sometimes really rile me up.

Anyway, yeah stick around, post some art maybe, or look at the resources forum. The forum may bring more