woodsmoke wrote:nice wferreria!

I'd add that updates are FAST AND FURIOUS!! sometimes a hundred or more every day.

I have seen significant changes in certain pieces of software in terms of "overall appearance", also "capabiilites ( like in terms of something new going on with a music app) "most" of it is in the "guts" of the system, like the "libs", one can read this in the details of the update.

A marked visual update occurred a few days ago with a plain black bootloader screen and iconography which matches the rest of the icons in the OS.

Since I use the music apps a lot and have been "testing them" since back the day of Xandros and doing the whole mpd thing with various user interfaces and coordinating with Conky, back before #! changed to "ubuntu" i"m greatly enjoying watching just how FAST this stuff is being changed and improved, ..... I guess like when one is working with anyone....giving immediate feedback is a good thing and for the devs to be able to roll stuff out and get immediate feedback is a good thing!

woodjustmythoughtssmoke

HAHAHA thank you! and GO KDE NEON!!!

lol YEP!

woodlikesKDEneonsmoke

Hi,

there' s thing that I still haven't understood.
Kde neon is now running on ununtu 16.04 lts and gets all the new kde updates.
What is going to hapen when ubuntu 18.04 will be released?
Will a new version of kde neon be released as well based on 18.04? Or it will just continue with the 16.04 base?

KDE Neon software repo is rolling on top of Ubuntu LTSs. So yes, there will be a time when it will be rolling on top of 18.04. Sooner than one may think.

Also, KDE Neon software repository is rolling free of any restraints imposed by Canonical's release schedule or regulations. That's why I like it so much.

There's no versus at all. The title should have been like ... "KDE Neon and Kubuntu - Similarities and Differences".

Canonical's release schedule was dragging back the development of KDE software. Hence Neon was born. CI (Continuous Integration) started before Neon though. It wasn't enough though, so they had to break free and they did.

Look at the picture https://neon.kde.org/ Neon is the river and Ubuntu is that solid rock.

When, Kubuntu 16.04.3 iso came out, the natural thing would have been to include Plasma version 5.8 into the iso. Canonical's regulations don't allow that kind of maneuver in an official flavor. So the only doable thing was the backport ppa, which by Canonical's terminology and policy is so-called "untrusted".

I now understand Neon. It's simple but difficult to explain.

This is what I wanted to know!

I'm already running 2 Kubuntu LTS (16.04 and 14.04) and the plan is to replace one of them with the new 18.04 as soon it is released.

But this Kde Neon looks really good and I'll probably start using it instead of putting the new Kubuntu on.

I tried it already on a live usb and I love the fact that Kde is always updated! It looked definitely "new" compared to the old Plasma 5.5.5 that im'using right now.

alfredod wrote:This is what I wanted to know!

I'm already running 2 Kubuntu LTS (16.04 and 14.04) and the plan is to replace one of them with the new 18.04 as soon it is released.

But this Kde Neon looks really good and I'll probably start using it instead of putting the new Kubuntu on.

I tried it already on a live usb and I love the fact that Kde is always updated! It looked definitely "new" compared to the old Plasma 5.5.5 that im'using right now.

As much as I like and encourage new things coming into Plasma, I opted to use the LTS versions of Plasma. I think Neon LTS and Kubuntu 16.04.3 (+5.8 backports) are equally suitable for the everyday user. You can create a Kubuntu 16.04.3 install disk that has 5.8.x already included. Upon fresh install you'll have 5.8 right out of the box. Moreover, you can so re-master the official iso as to suite your desires (theming, apps and so forth). One thing I never do though is to pimp the appearance. I like Breeze everything enormously. In Neon, I like that I don't have to purge as much because it comes pretty vanilla. So, either Neon LTS with a handful of third party apps of my choice or Kubuntu 16.04.03 remastered are okay with me.

I think I might consider the LTS Edition a good option for me, so I'll get everyting pretty stable for everyday use. (I don't really need to be always on the latest release as the User Edition does, I would not even see the difference!)

alfredod wrote:I think I might consider the LTS Edition a good option for me, so I'll get everyting pretty stable for everyday use. (I don't really need to be always on the latest release as the User Edition does, I would not even see the difference!)

For sure, Neon LTS is a good option. Rock solid at the moment. You just install a few third-party apps of your choice and you're ready to go. As neither Xenial or Neon CI can provide all the apps you might need, you'll have to think of other ways to get the latest/relevant/trendy/up-to-date apps. But once you're done, it's definitely a good experience. To keep it updated organically and in good balance, use sudo apt update, followed by sudo apt full-upgrade.

@alfredod

Okay, been reading the thread all over. I recommend you one of the following:
- KDE Neon LTS
- Kubuntu 16.04.3 with the 5.8 ppa
- Your own home-made remastered Kubuntu 16.04.3 featuring Plasma 5.8 out-of-the-box (can give you guidance how to build the iso if you want to take this path).

No particular order. The choice is yours. Cheers.

raddison wrote:@alfredod

Okay, been reading the thread all over. I recommend you one of the following:
- KDE Neon LTS
- Kubuntu 16.04.3 with the 5.8 ppa
- Your own home-made remastered Kubuntu 16.04.3 featuring Plasma 5.8 out-of-the-box (can give you guidance how to build the iso if you want to take this path).

No particular order. The choice is yours. Cheers.

Thank you for your advices! I'll think about it, but i'm sure i'll choose KDE Neon LTS

jstaniek wrote:

apachelogger wrote:KDE neon's foundations will be the Ubuntu LTS version, they will not change unless necessary or a new version comes along. The KDE software on top of the foundations however keeps getting updated by default whenever new stable releases are done. The primary focus of development is getting the latest stable KDE software to the users of KDE neon.

Kubuntu on the other hand moves along with the Ubuntu releases in between LTS releases and each Kubuntu release has set versions of KDE software it releases with. Once released no new feature versions are added. The primary focus of development is preparing the upcoming (every 6 months) Kubuntu version.

I'd love to see more clear explanation. "KDE neon's foundations will be the Ubuntu LTS version, they will not change" - does it explain Ubuntu LTS or Neon?

I am assuming Neon is a rolling release distro-like (when it comes to the desktop/desktop apps) and really replaces Kubuntu (as the team has largely moved there). Guys, how about letting the normal users know in simple words what's-what?

I am extra grateful for having opportunity to see e.g. Calligra packages for Ubuntu on the release day, instead of with large delay or never (depending on LTS).

One more question: is there synchronization with the lifecycle of LTSes? Can application authors count on Neon to have packages for entire lifetime of LTS 16.04 for example, i.e. up to 2021? This is what would match the support for apps on Windows or some paid Linuxes.

You're confusing Plasma 5.8 LTS for Xenial LTS (16.04). 5.12, the next Plasma LTS is not bound to the release time of Bionic (18.04). KDE Neon does not track Canonical's release schedule. They will adopt Bionic eventually but there's no synchronization pattern between Plasma LTSs and Ubuntu LTSs. It will happen when Neon will see it fit to happen.

After the 5.8.9 (final) bugfix, Neon LTS will only get security updates from Canonical (the base) as well as from Neon (the top).

mzs.112000 wrote:Is this similar to running the Kubuntu Continuous Integration PPA?

That's a forced analogy.

raddison wrote:Also, KDE Neon software repository is rolling free of any restraints imposed by Canonical's release schedule or regulations. That's why I like it so much.

Indeed, but there is a downside to it: As the Neon FAQ page states, NO applications from the Ubuntu repository are guaranteed to work, ONLY Plasma and KDE apps. So from this perspective, Neon is really only a testing play-ground for Plasma apps and definitely cannot be used as a complete and working system, because at any time, parts of the repository (non-KDE apps) might stop working. And due to this, it cannot be compared to Kubuntu at all, since it is not a usable production system, while Kubuntu is. And that is the main reason why there are Ubuntu policies and why it is GOOD that those policies are in place. Similar policies that Maui has in contrast to Neon - Maui is fully usable as a production system (pity if it goes away), while Neon can crash at any point in time after each upgrade.

rocky7x wrote:

raddison wrote:Also, KDE Neon software repository is rolling free of any restraints imposed by Canonical's release schedule or regulations. That's why I like it so much.

Indeed, but there is a downside to it: As the Neon FAQ page states, NO applications from the Ubuntu repository are guaranteed to work, ONLY Plasma and KDE apps. So from this perspective, Neon is really only a testing play-ground for Plasma apps and definitely cannot be used as a complete and working system, because at any time, parts of the repository (non-KDE apps) might stop working. And due to this, it cannot be compared to Kubuntu at all, since it is not a usable production system, while Kubuntu is. And that is the main reason why there are Ubuntu policies and why it is GOOD that those policies are in place. Similar policies that Maui has in contrast to Neon - Maui is fully usable as a production system (pity if it goes away), while Neon can crash at any point in time after each upgrade.

I completely agree. As an example try to use digikam with the current status of Neon User. Unable to display any image file.
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@rocky7x

I'm both a Neon and Kubuntu user.

Neon is really only a testing play-ground for Plasma apps and definitely cannot be used as a complete and working system

It definitely can. Some workarounds are certainly needed though.

Neon can crash at any point in time after each upgrade.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. So can any OS. Get the LTS for production purposes.