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Re: KDE Neon vs Kubuntu

Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:36 pm
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raddison wrote:Also, KDE Neon software repository is rolling free of any restraints imposed by Canonical's release schedule or regulations. That's why I like it so much.


Indeed, but there is a downside to it: As the Neon FAQ page states, NO applications from the Ubuntu repository are guaranteed to work, ONLY Plasma and KDE apps. So from this perspective, Neon is really only a testing play-ground for Plasma apps and definitely cannot be used as a complete and working system, because at any time, parts of the repository (non-KDE apps) might stop working. And due to this, it cannot be compared to Kubuntu at all, since it is not a usable production system, while Kubuntu is. And that is the main reason why there are Ubuntu policies and why it is GOOD that those policies are in place. Similar policies that Maui has in contrast to Neon - Maui is fully usable as a production system (pity if it goes away), while Neon can crash at any point in time after each upgrade.


The imperfections in Neon have nothing to do with Neon not complying with Canonical's policies but are rather due to the raw, aggressive, semi-automated development model. Not only the product is under development but the tools as well, so I'm confident.


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Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:30 pm
If the maintainers explicitly state in their FAQ that any application from the repository can stop working at any time and that they will not provide support for it, it is NOT something that can be used in a production environment, no matter whether it has an LTS suffix or anything else. Period. Such system can be used for testing, for development, as a playground, but production environment is out of question. Of course any system can have problems after an upgrade, but maintainers of a complete system are responsible for helping out with any problem, especially if it is related to an application from its repository.
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:46 pm
rocky7x wrote:If the maintainers explicitly state in their FAQ that any application from the repository can stop working at any time and that they will not provide support for it, it is NOT something that can be used in a production environment, no matter whether it has an LTS suffix or anything else. Period. Such system can be used for testing, for development, as a playground, but production environment is out of question. Of course any system can have problems after an upgrade, but maintainers of a complete system are responsible for helping out with any problem, especially if it is related to an application from its repository.


If this https://neon.kde.org/faq is what you've made reference to, then I can't see any explicit statement according to which any application from the repository can stop working at any time.

But I agree to the fact that Neon won't provide any kind of support whatsoever.


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Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:56 pm
@rocky7x Then witch Plasma-based OS do you recommend for production? If Kubuntu, which version? I'm also interested in other than Neon or Kubuntu production-ready Plasma OSs.


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Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:01 pm
Then you have not read it carefully enough :)

KDE neon focuses on KDE software, most other software is not supported and you should not be surprised if you can not install it or it stops working at any point in time due to an update.

That is the part covering it..
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:04 pm
KDE neon focuses on KDE software, most other software is not supported and you should not be surprised if you can not install it or it stops working at any point in time due to an update.


Such as? Have you encountered any in particular?


Which is production-ready? https://community.kde.org/Distributions

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Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:05 pm
I'm still trying to find it, I'm currently using Maui, but since they plan to discontinue it, and Mint KDE is stopped as well, I'm afraid we are losing options.. I don't want a non-deb distro since a I don't have time to fiddle with it and learn the new type of system..

I think I'm going back to Kubuntu once 18.04 is released..
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:23 pm
rocky7x wrote:I'm still trying to find it, I'm currently using Maui, but since they plan to discontinue it, and Mint KDE is stopped as well, I'm afraid we are losing options.. I don't want a non-deb distro since a I don't have time to fiddle with it and learn the new type of system..

I think I'm going back to Kubuntu once 18.04 is released..


Okay. Thanks. You can already test the daily Bionic.


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Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:31 pm
Just to answer your last question: during my short experience with Neon, I have indeed not encountered an app that would not install due to some dependency issues or not work because of a Plasma update. But I also am not going through the whole repository trying to install each and every app.. So what I haven't encountered, someone else might and in that case that one is left alone without any support or help (of course if that is not a KDE app).
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:37 pm
rocky7x wrote:Just to answer your last question: during my short experience with Neon, I have indeed not encountered an app that would not install due to some dependency issues or not work because of a Plasma update. But I also am not going through the whole repository trying to install each and every app.. So what I haven't encountered, someone else might and in that case that one is left alone without any support or help (of course if that is not a KDE app).


Neither have I. Thank you. Indeed Neon and Kubuntu are the only eligible in the deb world.


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Re: KDE Neon vs Kubuntu

Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:39 pm
PS: you can always compensate with a trendy appimage, flatpack or ELF binary, should you miss anything and you probably will.


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Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:50 pm
If I recall right, development of 5.12 will start in January and Bionic will release in April. Which means Kubuntu 18.04 will ship with 5.12. Sounds good.

The clock is ticking. If you want to participate in the shaping of Kubuntu 18.04, you better start now (if you havn't already).


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Re: KDE Neon vs Kubuntu

Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:02 pm
Indeed, those sandboxed apps are also a possibility, but Flatpak apps look like apps on Windows 95 o) theming is awful.. don't know how AppImage look though, but from what I've googled, they say most of them should be OK.
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Re: KDE Neon vs Kubuntu

Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:24 pm
The Libre Office appimage is Breeze all the way. Breeze (dark) is the nicest theme ever. I always change to breeze dark and application dashboard but other than that nothing. It's the only desktop that looks great out of the box. :)


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Re: KDE Neon vs Kubuntu

Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:08 am
As an example at that day :
Neon user : plasma 5.11.4 , kde apps 5.41.0, qt 5.9.3
Neon lts : plasma 5.8.8, kde apps 5.41.0, qt 5.7.1
Maui : plasma 5.11.3 kde apps 5.40.0, qt 5.9.1

Fully functional Neon lts and Maui. Neon user unable to use digikam, have to wait for digikam 5.8.
Maui is the most up to date and functional system you can propose to your friend and that will check its backport applications.

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