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Hi all together,
after the last updates, i run into an dependency hell. I tried to fix it with
it began (i think with plasma 5.27). If i want to install now wine32 it says:
Anything i can do about it, or do i have to install the system totally new or do i have to look for another distribution? LG Jonny |
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All of us who wish to use Wine in KDE neon are in the same boat. KDE neon has updated certain libraries that Wine depends on, but only the 64-bit versions (libpoppler-glib8, libjpeg-turbo8, perhaps others). This creates a broken package setup since the 32-bit libraries can't be upgraded. Last I knew, the neon devs were not planning on building any 32-bit libraries, so this situation might be at an impasse.
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ok that sounds weird and frustrating. I work now for a couple of years with neon, but i need some wine applications.
Does Manjaro do this job? Is it there possible to tun 32bit libraries and to update them, because the devs there build 32bit libraries? Is there another KDE distribution that based on ubuntu and is up to date? I think, i will migrate to another distribution... Greetings Hondo |
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Yeah, I'm frustrated as well. I'll most likely end up going with Kubuntu or Ubuntu Studio, both based on KDE, with the excellent app support I know I'll get with an Ubuntu base. I know Kubuntu has a backports PPA that features more up-to-date KDE Plasma (it has 5.27.2 currently, for example), though I have no idea if it is also updating the same libraries as neon and leading to the same issues. I have some research to do. EndeavourOS (Arch) or Manjaro are also attractive options, but I don't know if I trust the system stability of a rolling distro, and I'm tired of system breakages. I have too much important work to do on my system to be dealing with these kinds of issues. I need my software to work and keep working. Something like Kubuntu might be "boring", but at this point I'd rather have "boring" than the excitement of yet another broken app.
To directly answer your question, though, Manjaro shouldn't have this issue with the 32-bit libraries since both apps and libraries are "rolling", i.e., kept more up-to-date. |
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Thx for the answer.
I solved the problem with
I took the second suggestion of aptitude to downgrade some packages and install libjpeg8:i386. After that i installed wine32 and everything worked again. Maybe i am not up to date, but i can use some wine programms. I hope in the future i can install newer versions of the downgraded ones again. We´ll see. Manjaro sounds nice for me, but i want to have an stable system. if you say, it is not save, then i will try it maybe first with an live system on a stick, where i can install permanently. If i understand u right, Neon is not a rolling release, so that some libraries are not up to date and it belongs to decency issues right? Programs in Neon are updated but not all libraries specially the 386 ones not. Greetings Hondo |
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The problem is that neon has to build not only the 32 bit library, but all all the 32-bit sub-dependencies for it as well, which can go pretty deeply into the toolchain, and quickly becomes outside the scope of the neon project.
I do know someone has been trying to fix the libjpeg problems, but who know how long it might take. The external repos from WineHQ's recent Wine version 8 and its dependency changes is what seems to be conflicting with neon. My suggestion might be to investigate wine implementations that are not tied to a distro at all. Steam uses its own Proton implementation that is separate from the system installed one, and you can even swap between versions without touching anything at the system level. Lutris does something quite similar to this with its 'runners'. it is focused on games, but can be used for applications. Bottles is another project that also uses this sort of implementation. I have used both, though not extensively or in recent months..
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But Lutris and Proton need a wine installation on the system to run applications. This includes wine32 (with libraries) too.
If u cant install it, you cant run programs right. In my case i play warcraft with lutris. after i installed the new libraries from neon and disabled win32 libraries, warcraft startet, but i cant play online anymore, so that is useless. I tried to start an specially dictionary with wine wich needs wine32, and it worked not anymore. So i had to decide use aptitude and disables updates, that i can use both wine32 and the applications from neon, but in older versions. But that cant be the future. Many people need to use some wine applications and its no option not to let them use these. Or u want to push the people back again to M$... Greetings Hondo |
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No, they do not. Though, yes, Warcraft specifically needs some parts. I have used both Lutris and Bottles with zero system-level Wine packages installed whatsoever. They download and use completely separate implementations not tied to the distro. Steam's proton does not use a system installed wine either. Core 32-bit libraries, yes. I have been gaming with Steam and Lutris for years and years, and have not used a system-installed Wine in ages now. But obviously not Warcraft. I suggest these as possible alternatives for people to investigate, since Ubuntu's wine is always old, and there will always be issues with ultra current WineHQ stuff and neon (or even normal Ubuntu in my experience), as it has pretty much always been. But, as I have mentioned elsewhere, someone is working on the issue. And at some point in the future, something else will break a 32 bit dependency in wine. But the only way they will know is when us users discover it, since neon only care about KDE stuff, by design.
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Thx for the answer claydoh,
i want to stay with kde neon because it's the best distro for KDE affine people. I hope, that the problems with wine32 will be solved. Anyway i try to use kde neon further and hope, that the fortunewheel give me good choice to do that. But if not and i use my time only to solve unnecessary problems, i will look for another distro. Greetings Hondo |
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As with mozilla firefox we have had to wait for its own version to improve the desktop experience, I think at least a minimum of support for wine should be studied, just keeping recent versions of the libraries that give problems.
Now my desktop is broken and some applications can't be updated.
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I was able to work through this same issue. See my post here. |
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Hi bugcode,
what specially is broken. In your post i can see, that only wine packages are removed. That should not lead to an broken desktop. But the wine programs will not work anymore. I solved only the problem with one library that was needed for wine32 as i posted. I can use my desktop, but i cant update all packages, because of the wrong dependencies and my desktop isnt broken. This is annoying but for the first time everything is usable. In the further future, i will look for another distro, that dont make such trouble because of wine32, if its not solved. Greetings Hondo |
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i'm working on a solution. Hopefully the libjpeg-turbo mess will be resolved in the near future. However there are some architectural challenges to overcome for i386 packages as a whole.
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Hi carlosdem,
that would be really nice!!! i dont want to leave kdeneon. Best wishes Hondo |
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I get similar problem with dependencies
- looks like okular-backends is not accepting newer libokular5core10
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