In addition to security-related problems of systemd (+500K lines of inaudited code, running at PID 1, ...)
if I try to replace upstart with systemd on my ARM Cortex-A9 development board - which is using Ubuntu Linaro - it will crash while booting!

So, I would like to get KDE without systemd stuff. Please tell me, how to do it?

P.S. BSD folks are able to use KDE without systemd, so it should be possible

I don't understand, if you crash at boot then KDE hasn't started so it is not causing your crash and as far i know KDE does not currently have systemd as a requirement

If you wish to know about KDE and systemd at this point in time read http://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/s ... and-plasma

moved to Operating SYstem -> Linux

Get rid of Ubuntu, install Debian Wheezy and put KDE on top. Mind, the new release of Debian will use systemd but Wheezy should keep you happy for another couple of years at the very least.

toad wrote:Get rid of Ubuntu, install Debian Wheezy and put KDE on top. Mind, the new release of Debian will use systemd but Wheezy should keep you happy for another couple of years at the very least.

I don't have the time/skills to get Debian up and running on our ARM Cortex A9 devboard, also its a production system and such global changes like OS change are not desired.

google01103 wrote:I don't understand, if you crash at boot then KDE hasn't started so it is not causing your crash and as far i know KDE does not currently have systemd as a requirement

I crash at boot not because of KDE, but because of systemd. Sorry if I wasn't clear, but my system shifts from "usable" state to "broken" if I simply replace upstart with systemd - priorly to any KDE installing experiments.

When I try to install systemd, my screen is flooded with a big list of packages that are going to be installed - and among of them, there are "systemd" "systemd-shim" etc.

So, it appears to me that - by default - KDE requires systemd stuff. But - because of problems above - I would like to get KDE without systemd dependencies. There should be some workaround for that, if you know - please tell me?

P.S. My version of Ubuntu Linaro is based on Ubuntu 14.10

Have you tried installing kde without the systemd stuff installed? does it try to tell you that you need systemd in order to install kde?

I am not sure whether Ubuntu supports init.d anymore. If it doesn't you're stuck with systemd. That is distro dependent and there is precious little you can do about it. It certainly has nothing to do with the DE of your choice, in this case KDE.

I'd suggest you get busy on the Ubuntu forum to see if it is at all possible and if not you will have to move to a distro which guarantees init.d support.