Hello all,

I'm hoping this is the correct thread to post this in (this is my first post to the KDE forums).

I've recently updated to KDE 4.4 final in Linux Mint 8 KDE CE. Initially it had several login and workspace glitches but thanks to the KDE folks who have been pounding out the bug fixes over the last two days, most of the glitches have been fixed. One rather major item hasn't been fixed though and that's "User and Group Management" under "System Settings". It's non-functional and crashes upon closing every time with no useful debug information in the KDE crash reporter even though GDB is installed.

Since I see no way to add attachments to a forum post here, please see the top post at this Linux Mint forums thread for screenshots of the problem:

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.p ... 5&start=30

My research shows that this problem is seen with Mint 8 KDE CE and Kubuntu Karmic users who have upgraded to KDE 4.4 so it's apparently not a distro-centric problem but a problem with 4.4 itself.

Otherwise, I'm really liking 4.4 and the way the bug fix updates have been rolling out so quickly. I do need to have a usable "User Management" window though. Thanks in advance for any help.

KDE does not ship a User / Group Management tool as part of 4.4.

Many thanks for the reply.

Well, now that certainly explains the problem doesn't it? So, I guess I'm at a loss as to why "User Management" has been listed in the "Advanced" tab in "System Settings" for 4.3.2 through 4.3.5 and then 4.4 then. Or is user management part of the particular Linux distro itself?

Okay, newbie question but I'm versed in some aspects of Linux and not so versed in others plus I'm fairly new to KDE so please bear with me.

Distributions can add components to KDE applications such as System Settings fairly easily, as virtually everything is a plugin ( at least in the case of System Settings )

In this case, the User Management panel is provided by the distribution.

Ah, thank you. That's what I needed to know.

iirc Mint is Ubuntu based (excepting for multimedia codecs and art) so I guess that what is broken in (k)ubuntu is broken in Mint as well

imported-heu wrote:iirc Mint is Ubuntu based (excepting for multimedia codecs and art) so I guess that what is broken in (k)ubuntu is broken in Mint as well

To be truthful about it, Linux Mint is indeed based on (K)Ubuntu but there's a great deal of work put in by the Mint devs in cleaning up and fixing Ubuntu's inherent bugs and glitches along with improving on many of the default Ubuntu tools and such.

Be that as it may, I agree with what you're saying. I've got both the Linux Mint 8 KDE CE (w/KDE 4.3.4) Live DVD and the Kubuntu Karmic Live CD (w/KDE 4.3.2 I think) which I plan to boot up tomorrow to see if User Management indeed works "out of the box" as I think it does. If it does work then it means that upgrading to KDE 4.4 is causing a problem in that area.

There is a bug in the backported pyqt4 that is being worked on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ ... bug/514796

bcooksley wrote:KDE does not ship a User / Group Management tool as part of 4.4.

Note we do ship such tool, called KUser, but it isn't the python stuff integrated in system settings.

There's been a lot of "bug hunting" going on by members of the Linux Mint community as well as Kubuntu's. It looks like it's a problem with python and looks like apachelogger's comment about pyqt4 is the fix. We just have to wait until it works it's way down into the Kubuntu Karmic backports repo (thanks apachelogger).

pinotree - I installed that yesterday and it works fine. I removed it afterward though since it's been known to cause a ksudo error upon start up ("no command supplied, ksudo will now exit" or something along that line).

apachelogger wrote:There is a bug in the backported pyqt4 that is being worked on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ ... bug/514796

I checked out the bug report you referenced and applied the "fix" mentioned in the comments to the affected file. After one reboot, User "Management" Under "System Settings" worked correctly. Many thanks for link to the bug report! It fixed things up nicely.