Heh, Dotan, you really want me to make Lancelot into a complete DE, right

On a more serious note, that will maybe someday be possible, but it goes alongside the rest of 'add a new tab' requests - when I get a more advanced layouting (run-time generated) so that anybody could make his/hers own lancelot

hi ivan, thanks for your work, i replaced kickoff and i'm satisfied with lancelot.

let me give you a couple of ideas (i'm referring to "my" lancelot, maybe something has already be done!)

referring to the image:



1) do you think it would be possible to round the tabs' labels so that they look less "raw"?
2)a lot of space wasted. i know there's an option in the last version to turn vertically the labels, but did you decrease that space even for the horizontal version?
3)the selected item is too "rough-edge", and the repeating of the same background image give an ugly effect when you move to neighbours selection.
What if you change in a more clean look (here's an idea in 3B)

Thanks, (and sorry for the arrows! it's drawing with touchpad, not parkinson! )

Hi Gigi,

2) See http://userbase.kde.org/File:Lancelot-h ... -small.png - this is what the /compact/ mode looks like

1) Not for 4.5, possibly later. Though, other themes don't look like that. Maybe I should impsove a bit the Air theme for L... (slim-glow version: http://userbase.kde.org/File:Lancelot-1.7-slimglow.png)

3) This has also been addressed as you can see in the first screenshot.

Cheers

> Heh, Dotan, you really want me to make
> Lancelot into a complete DE, right

Why not? It's already got an applications menu, contacts...

Seriously, it just seems that there are so many plasmoids for so many seldom-used but important functions, such as the Device Notifier, the (i) icon, Quick Launch, etc. These could all be tabs in Lancelot, even if Lancelot would just provide a wrapper (like the plasmoid viewer) for them. The current choice of existing tabs seems completely arbitrary, why does the Contacts tab even exist? It would be much more logical to simply have the option to load these plasmoids as Lancelot tabs.

Thanks for putting up with me!

I've just noticed something, but I'm not sure how much up-to-date is it. I mean, I'm still with KDE 4.4.5 and read in your blog about the few dozens of changes in Lancelot for KDE SC 4.5...

When I open lancelot menu and starting to browser through the apps with the keyboard's arrow keys, I've noticed that there is no scroll in the long lists. For example:
Lancelot -> Applications column -> Internet. I have more that 50 apps in here, but there is no way to be listed all, so there are just 10 visible, which is ok. I'm starting to move over them with arrow keys, everything is fine until I get to the 11th app, at the bottom(small-sized for the nice scroll effect)...nothing happens, it doesn't scroll. I'm going to the 12th and below and my selector is gone somewhere in the list, it's not visible, because I'm still seeing only the first ten.

Again, I'm not sure it's not fixed yet for 4.5 and if it is - I'm sorry for reporting an old issue.

Yes, that has been fixed in 4.5. Unfortunately, sometimes I make changes that screw up already working things - and that was the case here

Transparency - option to configure opaqueness (or toggle off/on)

I'm using the Discrete desktop theme and because the L menu overlays the current app (usually my browser) it is difficult to read unlike the Kickoff app which has no transparency when activated even with my theme.

I know it's been discussed but don't recall discussion regarding a configuration option to control this.

thanks,

If the plasma panel/popups/... etc. receive something like this, Lancelot will also.

In 4.5, the blur effect should remove all the issues concerning readability of transparent things in plasma.

Cheers!

ivan wrote:If the plasma panel/popups/... etc. receive something like this, Lancelot will also.

In 4.5, the blur effect should remove all the issues concerning readability of transparent things in plasma.

Cheers!

Much better, but there's a real spike in cpu because of the blur effect making it costly to enable and iirc there's been mention of it it being problematic and suggestions that it be turned off because of the performance hits. Much prefer how kickoff does this with no cpu penalty.

regards,

Well, Kickoff is rather poorly integrated into plasma (almost not at all), while Lancelot tries to be as much as possible.

I have been deviating from plasma's behaviour in the beginning, but the deviations have been removed one by one with every release.

If L's transparency is the problem, then all Plasma popups have the same problem - that's theme's fault. You can change the SVG file in question.



p.s. I don't expect this will ever enter Plasma - there were a lot of discussions on this topic and they always ended as WONTFIX. (or WONTDO in this case)

p.p.s. Theme creators can even choose a different SVG to the standard one for lancelot, if they want to.

p.p.p.s. I'm not sure about CPU spiking - it was the case with the old blur, I think the blur in 4.5 is GPU-only. I'm not sure, but I guess it is so since some of the graphics cards are blacklisted for the blur effect.

re: blur effect with kwin enabled cpu goes from 0 to 5->6% (just enabled!! not blurring anything) - no way any effect is worth that amount of cpu (running 4.6svn).

transparency in popups just seems so counter intuitive (wrong) usability wise imho but obviously this is not the place to debate it

thanks,

That's strange, you should visit #kwin to complain

The transparency depends solely on the theme... It can be considered to be a bad usability, but it is soooo pretty

soooooooooo pretty but soooooooo unreadable at times, just think popups are a special case

another thingy - in add widgets L is a pretty gold and red chalice but the settings options the chalice is blue, should't they be the same?

No, in the add widgets, the icon is the default Lancelot's icon, that is, the icon containing the logo of the program.

The icon in the settings dialogue is a combination of KDE's logo and L's - because it looks better as a /start/ button than the normal L icon.

See: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2010/02/02/new-icon/

I forgot about this thread, so I am cross-posting this from bugs.kde.org:

Currently in Lancelot the Recent Documents list is sorted from oldest to
newest, so newer files appear on the bottom. I personally prefer to have the
newest files at the top, both because I think newer files should be featured
more prominently and also so I don't have to scroll to see more recently-used
files. I suppose the easiest would be to just have an option in the
right-click menu (there is already a special one for that section), although
having an icon at the top of the list to click might also work.