What features do you feel are missing in the CVS version of KMyMoney?
0.9.x is close enough too. If you are using 0.8.x, things have changed a lot, so please upgrade.

I think KMyMoney (used the one from the Kubuntu repo) was already very good. Now with KDE4 running I'm only waiting for a Qt4 version. Sorry , it's not a real missing feature but I think it will improve the usage of KMyMoney among KDE4 users.

It's not only the looks what makes Qt4 more attractive. In most cases, porting to Qt4 will make the developers think about the functionality of their design. Imho it always improves the usability when porting to Qt4.

It is in our plans to port to Qt4 early 2009. Right now we are working on making the 1.0 release as stable as possible.
I agree that there will be a lot of improvements design-wise due to the port.

And if you have only used the version in the Kubuntu repos (0.8., there is a lot of new features in the latest versions.

I keep a ppa for Kmymoney2's cvs so Hardy and Intrepid users can try out the latest version with ofx built in. Ubuntu (and Debian) are not built with ofx enabled.

Look here for info. I usually update every week or so, so it isn't 100%
current
KMM2 is quite stable , even in its development code, and runs just fine in KDE4.

I haven't used 0.8x in a while, so I am wondering if there is actually anything missing in 0.9 as it has so many new/updated things

claydoh wrote:I keep a ppa for Kmymoney2's cvs so Hardy and Intrepid users can try out the latest version with ofx built in. Ubuntu (and Debian) are not built with ofx enabled.

Look here for info. I usually update every week or so, so it isn't 100%
current
KMM2 is quite stable , even in its development code, and runs just fine in KDE4.

I haven't used 0.8x in a while, so I am wondering if there is actually anything missing in 0.9 as it has so many new/updated things

Can you create a separate thread with this? So other people can see it quickly. I get a lot of questions about your PPA, so it would be better to have its own thread.

As far as I can see two users on the same machine cannot keep separate account files each under their own /home directory; I have the latest release version but I haven't found how I can do that. The last time I tried it, it automatically loaded the file from the other user.

claydoh wrote:I keep a ppa for Kmymoney2's cvs so Hardy and Intrepid users can try out the latest version with ofx built in. Ubuntu (and Debian) are not built with ofx enabled.

Look here for info. I usually update every week or so, so it isn't 100%
current
KMM2 is quite stable , even in its development code, and runs just fine in KDE4.

I haven't used 0.8x in a while, so I am wondering if there is actually anything missing in 0.9 as it has so many new/updated things

I would be interested in trying this but I am concerned about how it will affect my current kmm install (from kubuntu repos) and kmm data file. Will the above version install as a seperate app and leave my current install unaffected?[hr]
To the OP. I know you say you don't really want feedback from us poor v0.8 users :'( but I have a couples of comments which may or may not have been addressed in more recent versions.

Firstly, I find the choices in the input section a bit strange. There is a seperate tab for cheques which are becoming increasingly uncommon. Also a seperate tab for ATM withdrawls but nothing for debit cards. It would more consistant to me to just have deposit and withdrawal or add tabs for other methods. Also I think it would be better if there was a way of adding a scheduled payments from the ledger view.

Secondly, one thing I find to be a problem is the way Transfer payments handle dates. I have several accounts with more than one institution. The tranfer in kmm assumes that the transfer is immediate and gives the debit and credit the same date. This is fine when the tranfer is between accounts at the same bank but when I transfer mioney between accounts at different banks it usually takes about 3 days to be credited. Hence the money leaves one acc on one date and is credited to the second on another date. To put this into kmm I have to use withdrawal and deposit rather than transfer.[hr]
That is weird. My posts seem to have been added together.[hr]
Look, it happened again :-S

bailout wrote:That is weird. My posts seem to have been added together.[hr]
Look, it happened again :-S

That is intended. If you reply more than once in a short period of time your posts will be merged.

bailout wrote:I would be interested in trying this but I am concerned about how it will affect my current kmm install (from kubuntu repos) and kmm data file. Will the above version install as a seperate app and leave my current install unaffected?[hr]

No, you have to uninstall your current version before installing the new one. And a file that has been saved in 0.9.x should not be used with 0.8.x

To the OP. I know you say you don't really want feedback from us poor v0.8 users :'( but I have a couples of comments which may or may not have been addressed in more recent versions.

It's just that it has changed a lot, so a lot of things have already been addressed in the newer versions. About 2 years of development have gone by since 0.8.x

Firstly, I find the choices in the input section a bit strange. There is a seperate tab for cheques which are becoming increasingly uncommon. Also a seperate tab for ATM withdrawls but nothing for debit cards. It would more consistant to me to just have deposit and withdrawal or add tabs for other methods. Also I think it would be better if there was a way of adding a scheduled payments from the ledger view.

That has changed and now you only have deposits, withdrawals, and transfers

Secondly, one thing I find to be a problem is the way Transfer payments handle dates. I have several accounts with more than one institution. The tranfer in kmm assumes that the transfer is immediate and gives the debit and credit the same date. This is fine when the tranfer is between accounts at the same bank but when I transfer mioney between accounts at different banks it usually takes about 3 days to be credited. Hence the money leaves one acc on one date and is credited to the second on another date. To put this into kmm I have to use withdrawal and deposit rather than transfer.[hr]

Yes, I have seen this as a feature request. The way we handle it today is by having a dummy account that will contain the money until it arrives to the destination account. So you have one transfer the day you wired the money, and another transfer the day you receive it in the other account.[hr]

john_hudson wrote:As far as I can see two users on the same machine cannot keep separate account files each under their own /home directory; I have the latest release version but I haven't found how I can do that. The last time I tried it, it automatically loaded the file from the other user.

You can have multiple files, but it will automatically open the last one.
However, I'm doing the inquiry as to why that is system-wide instead of per user.
Thanks!

john_hudson wrote:As far as I can see two users on the same machine cannot keep separate account files each under their own /home directory; I have the latest release version but I haven't found how I can do that. The last time I tried it, it automatically loaded the file from the other user.

KMyMoney keeps the list of recent opened files per user in $HOME/.kde/share/config/kmymoney2rc. When starting, it takes the first entry from the [Recent Files] section. So I don't know, why this seems to be system-wide for you.

I think I understand the situation. Whenever a user opens a file, kmymoneyrc2 stores 'Last file' So when one user looks at a file in another user's folder, that is stored as the 'last file' and opens automatically next time.

The user can restore their own file by using Open.

I was confused because the handbook gives the impression that you can have many accounts but only one file. In fact, looking more closely at the interface, the option to have more than one file is there but it is not explained in the handbook, only adding new accounts is explained.

Hei Ku wrote:
Yes, I have seen this as a feature request. The way we handle it today is by having a dummy account that will contain the money until it arrives to the destination account. So you have one transfer the day you wired the money, and another transfer the day you receive it in the other account.

Thanks for the reply. Is there a technical reason why a transfer couldn't simply be able to have a different credit and debit date? At the moment (assuming this hasn't changed from v8) if I put in a transfer that leaves on day x then kmm lists that on the target acc as arriving on day x. If I change the arrival to the correct day x+3 manually kmm changes the date the payment left as well. Couldn't a transfer just work as now but allow the arrival date to be changed manually without linking that change back to the debit?

bailout wrote:

Hei Ku wrote:
Yes, I have seen this as a feature request. The way we handle it today is by having a dummy account that will contain the money until it arrives to the destination account. So you have one transfer the day you wired the money, and another transfer the day you receive it in the other account.

Thanks for the reply. Is there a technical reason why a transfer couldn't simply be able to have a different credit and debit date? At the moment (assuming this hasn't changed from v8) if I put in a transfer that leaves on day x then kmm lists that on the target acc as arriving on day x. If I change the arrival to the correct day x+3 manually kmm changes the date the payment left as well. Couldn't a transfer just work as now but allow the arrival date to be changed manually without linking that change back to the debit?

Yes, there is. A transfer is a single entity, where you take money from one account and get it into another. What you see in one account or the other, is the same entity, just from different points of view. Having 2 dates would mean that at some point your money would go into hiperspace, to reappear a couple of days later, losing all consistency in the meantime.
That's why, for those cases where you want to track strictly those dates, we recommend having a dummy "clearing" account, where you transfer the money in and out when you have that time gap.

Hei Ku wrote:Yes, there is. A transfer is a single entity, where you take money from one account and get it into another. What you see in one account or the other, is the same entity, just from different points of view. Having 2 dates would mean that at some point your money would go into hiperspace, to reappear a couple of days later, losing all consistency in the meantime.
That's why, for those cases where you want to track strictly those dates, we recommend having a dummy "clearing" account, where you transfer the money in and out when you have that time gap.

But the reality of tranfering money between different institutions involves it going 'into hyperspace' for those days it takes to transfer through the banking system.

The 'clearing acc' sounds like a bit of a fudge to me and I think I will just carry on entering them twice as a withdrawal and seperate deposit.

Hei Ku wrote:
That's why, for those cases where you want to track strictly those dates, we recommend having a dummy "clearing" account, where you transfer the money in and out when you have that time gap.

Couldn't such a dummy "clearing" account be turned into a builtin feature? Sort of a precreated account that can be used for transactions that are neither income nor expense. Then this account could also be automatically used to store amounts for transactions with "split date" for the interval.

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What I would like to see in kmm is a bit more configurability in the ui. I use only four or five of the sidebar items on a regular basis and the ability to hide the unused ones and change the order would be a big gain in usability, at least for me.

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Great app, btw. I've been using it for only a few weeks and love it. Entering two years worth of financial information has been a breeze. Keep it up.