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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:14 pm
pembo13 wrote:
KejPi wrote:I am happy Konqueror user. In past I used Mozilla/Firefox but is think, that:

1) Konqueror is faster - I didn't do any measurement, this is my feeling
2) Konqueror is well integrated in KDE - e.g. opening PDF Konqueror offers Okular automatically, in KDE 3.5 Kpdf was opening in new tab - great :-) - it offers the right application for opening files, all KDE applications are opening links in Konqueror without any special setup
3) Konqueror simply looks nice in KDE, while Firefox never looks good in KDE. It can look good in Gnome, but who cares about Gnome ;-)
4) There are only very few pages for which Konqueror does not work correctly and I have to start FF or Opera. GMail is not a problem for me as I am using Kmail to read and write emails. No need to log in Gmail from browser.


I don't think you've read y this thread. No one has a significant problem with Konqueror, just KHTML


Yes I have read and several times I have seen something like "I am surprised that anybody uses Konqueror" so that was my reaction. And in points 1 and 4 I wrote that I don't have problem with KHTML, it is fast and works without any problem for 99% of web pages. So I am satisfied user of Konqueror with KHTML and I don't think it makes sense to spend time and energy by replacing it by webkit (I think this would be the only meaningful replacement). It would be much better to use this time to improve KHTML and to port good things from Webkit because sooner or later there will be anyway stable webkit kpart for Konqueror.

BTW: there are some pages working correctly neither in KHTML nor in Webkit.


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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:48 pm
KejPi wrote:It would be much better to use this time to improve KHTML and to port good things from Webkit because sooner or later there will be anyway stable webkit kpart for Konqueror.


Doing that would likely require more work. WebKit already works, all it's missing is better KDE integration. KHTML does not work for many use cases. You're sugesting that it would be easier to fix KHTML than to inttegrate WebKit, and I just don't follow that logic.

Furthermore, WebKit has much more development resources behind it and so is more likely to grow and adapt. There are apparently very little resources behind KHTML. This is the equivalent of wanting to use a piece of stick with string for fishing because you had it first, instead of a brand new, quality fishing rod that someone bought you.
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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:35 pm
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Cypher wrote:I wish we could have a dedicated, WebKit-based web bowser in KDE...


Well, if you really want one: try rekonq. It's still early days for it so don't expect it to be perfect. It works decently though (my main issue with it, right now, is that it doesn't remember the fontsizes you want). And since you use OpenSUSE, it's available in the factory repos.


I might give it a try then, even though I do not like the name... but that's another discussion. ;-)


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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:38 pm
The render-engine is okay, some fixes have to be made, implementing some new standards, but it is more important to add new Konqueror-features:
-Better Addons
-e.g. for developers and "hacking"
-changing code, view http-data, fast enabling/disabling of JS, debugging
-Better RSS-Integration
-Additional Render-Engines for [i]Website-testing[/url] like Webkit (it works in KDE4.3), but thats just a small toy

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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:41 pm
pembo13 wrote:-Better Addons


Kross is the way.
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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:45 pm
And then the KNewStuff integration should follow.
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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:12 pm
If this bug were solved, I would be very happy with Konqueror.

Is it that hard to solve?
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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:12 pm
One of the things that I found amusing is that the login system on the dot works with firefox but does not work with konq. It may be a bug in the dot but it is indicative of the problems when using khtml.

One of the issues that I see is that other javascript and html engines are moving at the speed of light and we are stuck with kjs and khtml. Maybe with more devs such a thing would be possible, but all the other two engines namely gecko and webkit have such large communities behind them that it is:

a) impossible to match
b) foolish not inherit.

Last edited by _txf_ on Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.


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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:14 am
Why are people so attached to KHTML?
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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:46 am
Because it has been with KDE a very long time, since KDE 2.


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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:49 am
pembo13 wrote:Why are people so attached to KHTML?


Because it the only thing work right now ! and It belongs to KDE not Apple.


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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:56 am
Open Source does not belong to anyone... and by the way, WebKit is open source... If it's not good enough, you should not use Qt then, because is does not belong to KDE either...


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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:08 am
Zayed wrote:Because it the only thing work right now !


it's the only completely integrated right now. As a web browser, it is not the only thing that works, infact many people don't think it works well enough to be their primary browser.

Zayed wrote:and It belongs to KDE not Apple.


That's a pretty childish reason, especially considering that it is released under LGPLv2
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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:06 am
I'm using Konqueror/KHTML as my primary browser since early KDE3, and it serves me quite well. Of course it would be great to have additional rendering engines for konqueror out of the box, but i think KHTML should be continued as default.
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RE: Gecko/Webkit KDE browser

Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:46 pm
There's a wikipage about Arora KDE 4 integration: http://code.google.com/p/arora/wiki/KDE4Integration

And here is a Discussion about using kdelibs instead of qt. I guess this would be necessary to integrate things like kross or kwallet into Arora, no?




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