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With the somewhat limited set of available hardware configurations in the apple range (compared to the near limitless range of hardware configuration possibilities in the PC realm) it should be somewhat straightforward to detect when running on mac hardware and set sane defaults for things like macbook no button touch pads etc on first run.

In the same vein, better support for screen brightness, keyboard back light etc in the power saver etc modules would also be great.

I disagree. I think this is the job of distributions, not desktop environments.

mutlu wrote:I disagree. I think this is the job of distributions, not desktop environments.

I would agree with you; but I think that OP is thinking about KDE specific Hardware settings.
That's why Solid is developed. I think this idea is valid.

Primoz wrote:

mutlu wrote:I disagree. I think this is the job of distributions, not desktop environments.

I would agree with you; but I think that OP is thinking about KDE specific Hardware settings.
That's why Solid is developed. I think this idea is valid.

There are some parts that are probably distro dependant, like X settings etc, but within KDE there are areas that could be set up nicer by default.

Just as importantly though is the second part of my suggestion: improved support for configuring screen backlights, keyboard lights etc.

Somehow I think this is more of a kernel/hal/distro issue rather than a KDE-specific one.

I mean, if a new kernel supports Apple hardware better both Gnome and KDE (for just the two big ones) would benefit from it. And besides, there's really nothing all that special hardware-wise about Apple computers (save old m68k and PPC based ones). The components can be found, in a variety of disguises, in more generic brands as well.

Better defaults, sure. But that would benefit say a Dell computer with the same specific hardware (i.e. graphics chip).

Kryten2X4B wrote:Somehow I think this is more of a kernel/hal/distro issue rather than a KDE-specific one.

I mean, if a new kernel supports Apple hardware better both Gnome and KDE (for just the two big ones) would benefit from it. And besides, there's really nothing all that special hardware-wise about Apple computers (save old m68k and PPC based ones). The components can be found, in a variety of disguises, in more generic brands as well.

Better defaults, sure. But that would benefit say a Dell computer with the same specific hardware (i.e. graphics chip).

You're forgetting that KDE is also natively available for OS X. So you don't need to install Linux on MAC to get KDE on it.
And it seems that MAC users wish that KDE would natively have a better hardware support without installing Linux on it.

Primoz wrote:You're forgetting that KDE is also natively available for OS X. So you don't need to install Linux on MAC to get KDE on it.
And it seems that MAC users wish that KDE would natively have a better hardware support without installing Linux on it.

You're quite right. I should have thought of that. Then again, and correct me if I'm wrong here, if a MacOS X user just wants say Amarok, doesn't Amarok obey the system-settings of MacOS X as far as say touchpads, audio-hardware and the like goes? That's the impression I have got anyway.

Besides, even if one disregards Linux-specific things: I'm not convinced that specific Apple-hardware support is the way to go. If anything, it would make more sense to make KDE-specific hardware-support as generic as possible so it would benefit Apple hardware as much as other vendors.

Kryten2X4B wrote:

Primoz wrote:You're forgetting that KDE is also natively available for OS X. So you don't need to install Linux on MAC to get KDE on it.
And it seems that MAC users wish that KDE would natively have a better hardware support without installing Linux on it.

You're quite right. I should have thought of that. Then again, and correct me if I'm wrong here, if a MacOS X user just wants say Amarok, doesn't Amarok obey the system-settings of MacOS X as far as say touchpads, audio-hardware and the like goes? That's the impression I have got anyway.

Besides, even if one disregards Linux-specific things: I'm not convinced that specific Apple-hardware support is the way to go. If anything, it would make more sense to make KDE-specific hardware-support as generic as possible so it would benefit Apple hardware as much as other vendors.

I wholeheartedly agree. I think that what Solid is trying to do.
So yes. OP is wrong in demanding that KDE should be tailored by OS X needs, but is entitled to demand that KDE works as good on OS X as it does on Linux.
I wonder if OP has any troubles with hardware compatibility on MAC machines or is just tossing this idea as one of those generic ideas; MAC is known for their standardised hardware, so that should be used by KDE, even though he doesn't know how.
Hope it's the first option.
But I plea the op to describe real hardware problems or improvements.
So that this gets cleared once and for all.

Primoz wrote:

Kryten2X4B wrote:

Primoz wrote:You're forgetting that KDE is also natively available for OS X. So you don't need to install Linux on MAC to get KDE on it.
And it seems that MAC users wish that KDE would natively have a better hardware support without installing Linux on it.

You're quite right. I should have thought of that. Then again, and correct me if I'm wrong here, if a MacOS X user just wants say Amarok, doesn't Amarok obey the system-settings of MacOS X as far as say touchpads, audio-hardware and the like goes? That's the impression I have got anyway.

Besides, even if one disregards Linux-specific things: I'm not convinced that specific Apple-hardware support is the way to go. If anything, it would make more sense to make KDE-specific hardware-support as generic as possible so it would benefit Apple hardware as much as other vendors.

I wholeheartedly agree. I think that what Solid is trying to do.
So yes. OP is wrong in demanding that KDE should be tailored by OS X needs, but is entitled to demand that KDE works as good on OS X as it does on Linux.
I wonder if OP has any troubles with hardware compatibility on MAC machines or is just tossing this idea as one of those generic ideas; MAC is known for their standardised hardware, so that should be used by KDE, even though he doesn't know how.
Hope it's the first option.
But I plea the op to describe real hardware problems or improvements.
So that this gets cleared once and for all.

First a quick note: OP (me) is not _demanding_ anything, just making a suggestion like everyone else

My request was definitely from a Linux user side... there are some command line and gtk apps to mess around with backlight and and keyboard brightness but nothing integrated into the places you'd expect such as the power various parts of power devil (or the relevant parts of power devil don't recognize that the functionality is there, options for things like backlight do exist).

borker wrote:

Primoz wrote:

Kryten2X4B wrote:

Primoz wrote:You're forgetting that KDE is also natively available for OS X. So you don't need to install Linux on MAC to get KDE on it.
And it seems that MAC users wish that KDE would natively have a better hardware support without installing Linux on it.

You're quite right. I should have thought of that. Then again, and correct me if I'm wrong here, if a MacOS X user just wants say Amarok, doesn't Amarok obey the system-settings of MacOS X as far as say touchpads, audio-hardware and the like goes? That's the impression I have got anyway.

Besides, even if one disregards Linux-specific things: I'm not convinced that specific Apple-hardware support is the way to go. If anything, it would make more sense to make KDE-specific hardware-support as generic as possible so it would benefit Apple hardware as much as other vendors.

I wholeheartedly agree. I think that what Solid is trying to do.
So yes. OP is wrong in demanding that KDE should be tailored by OS X needs, but is entitled to demand that KDE works as good on OS X as it does on Linux.
I wonder if OP has any troubles with hardware compatibility on MAC machines or is just tossing this idea as one of those generic ideas; MAC is known for their standardised hardware, so that should be used by KDE, even though he doesn't know how.
Hope it's the first option.
But I plea the op to describe real hardware problems or improvements.
So that this gets cleared once and for all.

First a quick note: OP (me) is not _demanding_ anything, just making a suggestion like everyone else

My request was definitely from a Linux user side... there are some command line and gtk apps to mess around with backlight and and keyboard brightness but nothing integrated into the places you'd expect such as the power various parts of power devil (or the relevant parts of power devil don't recognize that the functionality is there, options for things like backlight do exist).

First sorry for my poor choice of words.
And now it makes sense. I guess it will be implemented when it progress. OS X port is very new, so obviously it's not all there yet.

It seems that Qt developers are on the same wave-length as OP:
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03 ... id-dragon/

Primoz wrote:It seems that Qt developers are on the same wave-length as OP:
http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/03 ... id-dragon/

Nice find.