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I don't agree with the idea of moving ideas that are already in the bugs.kde.org to a different section. There are several reasons. First, personally I think having the discussion for ideas scattered across several places is probably not the most efficient way to do things. Having one central location for all ideas seems better to me. Second, these forums seem much more conducive to conversation and discussion. They allow for editing to include later ideas or corrections, in-line pictures, easy quoting and formating, notifications, and a lot of other features missing from bugzilla. Moving ideas to another forum discourages conversation on those ideas and makes them harder to find. Third, by encouraging people to cross-post their ideas here it prevents clogging up bugs.kde.org with lots of discussion.

edit: hopefully made it clearer

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You don't know how much was said about this in Mod HQ.
Hans is on the same side as you, but for me I feel that Already implemented is some sort of a bridge between us and bko.
But if users think that this is a good idea we might reconsider it.
But users are not only group that is taken in account while making the final decision on this.

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While I agree that putting threads into SUBMITTED is not really a good idea, since it discourages further discussion and elaboration, I completely disagree with the following to the point that I can't vote this up:

If anything, I think we should mark ideas in bugs.kde.org as being on this forum and closing them.


I think Bugzilla is the "formal" place for feature requests. This, however, as the forum name suggests, is a place to "brainstorm" on ideas.

A better solution would be to post links on the Bugzilla to point to the discussion of relevant topics here, so that the developers could see them, but replacing the Wishlist items with the forum is not a good idea, IMO.


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Alec wrote:
If anything, I think we should mark ideas in bugs.kde.org as being on this forum and closing them.


I think Bugzilla is the "formal" place for feature requests. This, however, as the forum name suggests, is a place to "brainstorm" on ideas.

I don't disagree. I have no problem keeping them both open. My point is that if we have an idea in both places and we absolutely have to close one of them, it would be better to close the one at bko. But I see no reason to close either. Cross-linking between the wishlist item at bko and the brainstorm thread here is probably a good idea.

Alec wrote:but replacing the Wishlist items with the forum is not a good idea, IMO.

That was not what I was suggesting at all. I've edited the idea so hopefully it is more clear what I mean now.

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I feel that bko is higher instance than brainstorm forum.
I imagined that when ideas is moved to submitted it's done because it was deemed by mods to be an idea that all devs should know about and forwarded it to
bko. But there are a lot of holes in this theory. Idea proposer could post it on bko by him or her self, or idea is already opened in bko.
And then even if idea would be forwarded to bko all votes which show how important it is/was to users would be lost.
So I thought that aggreggator could handle this, but it's not made for it. But "web2.0" has all options to do that.

On the end the real question is which is higher up the chain? For me I think it's bko. Or even mailinglist.
Anyway the problem is that this is brainstorming forum where ideas are still formed and bko has more wishlist way of submitting ideas which demands that idea is fully developed when posted.
So you do need both. But it might be that ideas that are moved to Submitted don't get it's fair share of brainstorming even if they should.
I don't know how many users keep brainstorming in Submitted sub-forum, but my guess is not much as it mainly has no new posts.


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