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I just made the switch from 3 to 4. I'm not impressed.

I've got 6 hours in just trying to configure the tasks bars to the way I want them and I'm not even close yet.

Ignoring the wall paper this is the way I want it to look

http://users.zoominternet.net/~rmickley/snapshot3.jpg

this is as close as I have gotten it

http://users.zoominternet.net/~rmickley/snapshot2.jpg

on 3 you could just drag and drop an application any where on the bar. Don't even think about trying that with 4

Once you had it on a bar. Right click and the first option was for moving the icon any where you wanted it on the bar.
On 4? yeah right thats not gonna happen.

once you do manage to get an app up there it immediately moves all the way to the right and STAYS there. Unless you put one of those spacers in there.

I haven't even gotten close to making it transparent yet.

Bottom line, KDE took a simple easy to use interface and pooched it all in the name of eye candy.

@zugzub: Bottom line - you couldn't be bothered to learn how to do it properly. There are animations at http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/HowTo that will not only solve this problem for you but teach you many other things.

It's not clever to make rude remarks while exposing your own laziness.

@zugzub

try a desktop theme like glassified.
the rest shouldn't be that hard to set up... use spacers with flexible size to make them evenly distributed, or do it manually.
besides: annew is right

annew wrote:@zugzub: Bottom line - you couldn't be bothered to learn how to do it properly. There are animations at http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/FAQ/HowTo that will not only solve this problem for you but teach you many other things.

It's not clever to make rude remarks while exposing your own laziness.

Bottom line? it worked fine before, why mess with it?
Laziness? no I just have other things to do. Tell you what I'll spend hours figuring it out on my own. You come here and cut firewood, and rebuild the two tractors sitting in the shop and the combine that needs work. When your done with that go out back and feed the beef cows, then get on down to the the home farm and feed the brood cows. Make sure you check and make sure no one had a calf out in the snow while your at it. Tomorrow being Sat, your going to need to grind 4 tons of feed for the next week

I apologize if I offended you the first time around. But don't ever call me lazy.

Brainstorm comments are for commenting on the idea, not the people. Please keep the temperature down.

I don't think middle-clicking is a good idea, because some widgets use the middle mouse button for actions, so those widgets will become immobile. Similarly, left-clicking and dragging is already used in some widgets for moving stuff inside the widget, so those widgets will become immobile. The right-click-> move option would work, but that doesn't change the number of clicks and increases the size of the right-click menu.

TheBlackCat wrote:I don't think middle-clicking is a good idea, because some widgets use the middle mouse button for actions, so those widgets will become immobile. Similarly, left-clicking and dragging is already used in some widgets for moving stuff inside the widget, so those widgets will become immobile. The right-click-> move option would work, but that doesn't change the number of clicks and increases the size of the right-click menu.

I does save a lot of mouse movement however (I just had to reinstall and really got annoyed at how clumsy the current design is, again...)

Perhaps, but the way plasma does it now saves clicks per movement if you are moving multiple items. If you are moving one item the clicks are the same, but as soon as you start moving more than one the number of clicks the current method requires drops relative to a right-click method. It also saves mouse movement in such a case as well..

How about when you hover over a plasmoid on a panel, a handle appears, like the plasmoids on the desktop have? The handle should be parallel to the panel, a few pixels off (like the tooltips). It should appear above any tooltips that the plasmoid creates. (above as in z axis). The handle may have to be bigger then the plasmoids, as most are small. The handle may also have to be off center, so the handle also should have two small arrows pointing at the left most point, and right most point (or top most and bottom most point) of the plasmoid that created it, so that its clear what plasmoid will be moved.

(The handle idea could also solve another idea here on this board, to have the option to resize and rotate the plasmoids on the panel) brainstorm.php?mode=idea&i=39335#anchormain

The behavior should be toggled from the panels cashew menu as a button, next to add widgets, or something, as "show drag handles on hover" and then "don't show drag handles on hover". (It will have to be made clear that that option is effecting that panel, not the whole desktop, or other panels)

The option will stay enabled until the user disables it, even when the cashew menu is closed, the option stays enabled, until the user disables it manualy.

I think nerdopolis is on to something here. That does seem to be a nice compromise between "it's too big of a hassle" and "how do we make a convenient change to make it less of a hassle".

@nerdopolis Perhaps you should post that as a new brainstorm idea and see what people think - get a new set of votes (I would be for it).

I would vote for such an idea as well.

Thanks for liking it! I'll try to create it in a separate idea in a way that its not a 'duplicate' of this idea.

Approved and available at brainstorm.php#idea85934 for those who are interested

No offense to the original idea poster that we're advertising an alternative