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It will be very helpfully to implement backup and restore function in Kmail - but including all, not only mails but also settings, filters, address book ... Searching all those files and than put them back in exact folder is not nice and many times something can lost (in my case too many filter settings which I must now create again manually)... Thanks.

I update this post little bit:


"well than I suggest following:

- create completely KDE desktop based backup/restore system to check and
save all user data. All data I mean not only mail from Kmail or
addresses from Address book but automatically find out which software
user is using and what he setup inside of them and which data are stored
and linked with them. Next evolution of this system will be to backup
completely system - not only KDE part but scan completely computer for
all data, settings, filters... and backup it and restore in another
computer - of course some security will be necessary to implement.
This can looks like complicated software task and I'm sure it is. I'm
not programmer (the last program which I wrote was simply excel style
database in MS-DOS to manage machinery parts in garage of my father...)
But I'm sure it is possibly - and I'm sure KDE programmers are smart and
great enough to do it.
But another point is that many of modules which can be used are already
in Linux, some of them easy to use and some good for geeks... but Let's
imagine to get them work together as one piece of software which will do
following task - scan entire PC and find what is user really using,
which files he have, which files he created and with which programs,
which setting he did in those programs, which environment settings he
change, which colors he use, which icons, sounds, init set, background,
command shortcuts, links, bookmarks, filters, positions of widgets and
so on... Than save this data, pack them, burn them on DVD or nearest
server/network/web based service... protect them (password, pgp, ... )
and than write nice message to user - "now your data are save, and if
your HDD crashes just press restore..." ??I know that there is backup
function for entire Linux but if something gets bad, many peoples still
prefer to reinstall system and mostly they never did backup.
Because this completely system is too complicated I suggesting to start
with individual programs - like I already mention Kmail for example,
than another, another and so on... BUT - and this is big "but" I
strongly suggesting keep this individual system from beginning easy
interchangeable interoperable modules - and later they can be packed
together as whole big system.
Problems:
I'm sure lot. first - how to determine what is user really using - is
there some easy way to find out if some program is just installed and
run once to try it and than never run again by user ? maybe some bit is
set as software was never used therefore not necessary to store anything
and system can jump to scan another one.
How to implement all different tasks - scanning, searching, determining,
saving, packing, sorting, burning, restoring in right place - one way is
maybe use actual software which is used for alone tasks and connect them
together...
How to restore data and settings in right place and right format in case
of different versions of programs used ? let's say backup done in
version 1.0 and restore need to be done to version 1.5 which may use
different structure... (I'm not sure about back-compatibility in KDE
programs...)

Expectations:
- to have easy to use backup/restore system
- to protect users data and users settings at once and in one pack ??with
one way to restore it (not in many with different ways to restore)
- to easily transfer you backups in another computer or mobile device
(let's say that I want to have same system in desktop PC as I have in my
net book or my PDA/smart phone)
- to easily let user view and select what to backup - not force user to
search what this system should do - not force user to work for system
but system for him. (for example I need to backup only my desktop
settings with colors and mails and blender settings and files nothing
else - but system will let me to check from all others programs I also
using - kmail, chat, konqueror... additionally to prepare some default
predefined setting for most users...)
- in future I can see this as perfect ground for completely
synchronization of any media with any media ??- today everything is
mobile and what's not I'm sure it will be - now imagine all your
information's (or just some of them - up to you) and preferred settings(
shortcuts, colors, bookmarks...) are same in your laptop, your pc, your
multimedia TV, mobile phone...
well than I suggest following: - create completely KDE desktop based backup/restore system to check and save all user data. All data I mean not only mail from Kmail or addresses from Address book but automatically find out which software user is using and what he setup inside of them and which data are stored and linked with them. Next evolution of this system will be to backup completely system - not only KDE part but scan completely computer for all data, settings, filters... and backup it and restore in another computer - of course some security will be necessary to implement. This can looks like complicated software task and I'm sure it is. I'm not programmer (the last program which I wrote was simply excel style database in MS-DOS to manage machinery parts in garage of my father...) But I'm sure it is possibly - and I'm sure KDE programmers are smart and great enough to do it. But another point is that many of modules which can be used are already in Linux, some of them easy to use and some good for geeks... but Let's imagine to get them work together as one piece of software which will do following task - scan entire PC and find what is user really using, which files he have, which files he created and with which programs, which setting he did in those programs, which environment settings he change, which colors he use, which icons, sounds, init set, background, command shortcuts, links, bookmarks, filters, positions of widgets and so on... Than save this data, pack them, burn them on DVD or nearest server/network/web based service... protect them (password, pgp, ... ) and than write nice message to user - "now your data are save, and if your HDD crashes just press restore..." ??I know that there is backup function for entire Linux but if something gets bad, many peoples still prefer to reinstall system and mostly they never did backup. Because this completely system is too complicated I suggesting to start with individual programs - like I already mention Kmail for example, than another, another and so on... BUT - and this is big "but" I strongly suggesting keep this individual system from beginning easy interchangeable interoperable modules - and later they can be packed together as whole big system. Problems: I'm sure lot. first - how to determine what is user really using - is there some easy way to find out if some program is just installed and run once to try it and than never run again by user ? maybe some bit is set as software was never used therefore not necessary to store anything and system can jump to scan another one. How to implement all different tasks - scanning, searching, determining, saving, packing, sorting, burning, restoring in right place - one way is maybe use actual software which is used for alone tasks and connect them together... How to restore data and settings in right place and right format in case of different versions of programs used ? let's say backup done in version 1.0 and restore need to be done to version 1.5 which may use different structure... (I'm not sure about back-compatibility in KDE programs...) Expectations: - to have easy to use backup/restore system - to protect users data and users settings at once and in one pack ??with one way to restore it (not in many with different ways to restore) - to easily transfer you backups in another computer or mobile device (let's say that I want to have same system in desktop PC as I have in my net book or my PDA/smart phone) - to easily let user view and select what to backup - not force user to search what this system should do - not force user to work for system but system for him. (for example I need to backup only my desktop settings with colors and mails and blender settings and files nothing else - but system will let me to check from all others programs I also using - kmail, chat, konqueror... additionally to prepare some default predefined setting for most users...) - in future I can see this as perfect ground for completely synchronization of any media with any media ??- today everything is mobile and what's not I'm sure it will be - now imagine all your information's (or just some of them - up to you) and preferred settings( shortcuts, colors, bookmarks...) are same in your laptop, your pc, your multimedia TV, mobile phone...

This would be very nice for all PIM applications (like Akregator, KOrganizer and so on).
Good idea.

Yes, this is a must for me!! I did this task manually a lot of times.

I think a system-wide back-up system would be nice... something that would go in System Settings, then that KMail can re-use for E-mail specific stuff, if the user decides.

Hopefully akonadi storing everything one one place will make backing email pim data easier.

TheBlackCat wrote:Hopefully akonadi storing everything one one place will make backing email pim data easier.

Still a "nice" user interface would make things a lot easier. Especially for people that do not know how to dump SQL databases

However I can imagine another benefit arising from a backup/restore functionality: One could add version information to the backup bundle, such that upon restore it can be automatically converted if the data format has changed due to a pim/akonadi update.

well than I suggest following:

- create completely KDE desktop based backup/restore system to check and
save all user data. All data I mean not only mail from Kmail or
addresses from Address book but automatically find out which software
user is using and what he setup inside of them and which data are stored
and linked with them. Next evolution of this system will be to backup
completely system - not only KDE part but scan completely computer for
all data, settings, filters... and backup it and restore in another
computer - of course some security will be necessary to implement.
This can looks like complicated software task and I'm sure it is. I'm
not programmer (the last program which I wrote was simply excel style
database in MS-DOS to manage machinery parts in garage of my father...)
But I'm sure it is possibly - and I'm sure KDE programmers are smart and
great enough to do it.
But another point is that many of modules which can be used are already
in Linux, some of them easy to use and some good for geeks... but Let's
imagine to get them work together as one piece of software which will do
following task - scan entire PC and find what is user really using,
which files he have, which files he created and with which programs,
which setting he did in those programs, which environment settings he
change, which colors he use, which icons, sounds, init set, background,
command shortcuts, links, bookmarks, filters, positions of widgets and
so on... Than save this data, pack them, burn them on DVD or nearest
server/network/web based service... protect them (password, pgp, ... )
and than write nice message to user - "now your data are save, and if
your HDD crashes just press restore..." ??I know that there is backup
function for entire Linux but if something gets bad, many peoples still
prefer to reinstall system and mostly they never did backup.
Because this completely system is too complicated I suggesting to start
with individual programs - like I already mention Kmail for example,
than another, another and so on... BUT - and this is big "but" I
strongly suggesting keep this individual system from beginning easy
interchangeable interoperable modules - and later they can be packed
together as whole big system.
Problems:
I'm sure lot. first - how to determine what is user really using - is
there some easy way to find out if some program is just installed and
run once to try it and than never run again by user ? maybe some bit is
set as software was never used therefore not necessary to store anything
and system can jump to scan another one.
How to implement all different tasks - scanning, searching, determining,
saving, packing, sorting, burning, restoring in right place - one way is
maybe use actual software which is used for alone tasks and connect them
together...
How to restore data and settings in right place and right format in case
of different versions of programs used ? let's say backup done in
version 1.0 and restore need to be done to version 1.5 which may use
different structure... (I'm not sure about back-compatibility in KDE
programs...)

Expectations:
- to have easy to use backup/restore system
- to protect users data and users settings at once and in one pack ??with
one way to restore it (not in many with different ways to restore)
- to easily transfer you backups in another computer or mobile device
(let's say that I want to have same system in desktop PC as I have in my
net book or my PDA/smart phone)
- to easily let user view and select what to backup - not force user to
search what this system should do - not force user to work for system
but system for him. (for example I need to backup only my desktop
settings with colors and mails and blender settings and files nothing
else - but system will let me to check from all others programs I also
using - kmail, chat, konqueror... additionally to prepare some default
predefined setting for most users...)
- in future I can see this as perfect ground for completely
synchronization of any media with any media ??- today everything is
mobile and what's not I'm sure it will be - now imagine all your
information's (or just some of them - up to you) and preferred settings(
shortcuts, colors, bookmarks...) are same in your laptop, your pc, your
multimedia TV, mobile phone...

backup/restore has been requested since years.

On bugzilla there are some bug reports (wish) about adding this feature:

- Bug #76690
- Bug #85656

Please vote for them if interested.

Hmmm...

Bug 76990: Konqueror crashes on smh.com.au Konqueror crashes on smh.com.au
may not be so relevant

I think you mean https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76690

which already has >500 votes!
I don't think a lack of opinion is holing this one back

... except there are a bunch of bugs with >2000 votes

No, probably 500 votes already are a significant number...

Anyway I've forgot to mention
- Bug 34382
- Bug 55827
- Bug 77744
- Bug 85656
- Bug 89100

Two and a half years have passed and this feature has not been implemented yet…

Wouldn't it just be easier to save each individual email message as a .dbx file for easier archival/backup and restoral later on?