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KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

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KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:25 pm
I'm more interested in hearing perspectives from the KDE staff specifically, since they probably have a better idea than anyone else what the difference is between the two distro's. Regardless, all users are welcome to share their thoughts here obviously.

I was wondering which is better, or I guess another way to put it, is which one is more stable generally? KDE Neon or Kubuntu? I already have Kubuntu, but it has a few annoying bugs, and I'm tempted to install KDE Neon, but I have before in the past and didn't notice much difference between the two, other than light vs dark themed task manager. Everything else seems identical. I can't remember if Neon has those bugs.

Which of the two would you recommend? Should I stick with Kubuntu? Or should I switch to KDE Neon?
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:41 pm
The KDE staff run a wide variety of distros, as do the developers, so I imagine there are plenty who may not have much experience with *both* Kubuntu and Neon.
I am not staff, but I probably have more experience than most with using both, long term.

I have used Kubuntu as my main OS since it was first released, in 2005, and I am currently running 19.04 on my PC, and have also run Neon since the user edition was released in 2016. It is the main OS on my laptop, which is my main daily-driver computer.

Which one is *best* is up to you, and your needs. Mine may not be yours.

If you like getting updates more often, and have a small bit of Linux experience, Neon is a good choice.
If the semi-constant updating is bothersome, and getting things done is your thing - you are not terribly worried about updates as your system works very well for you, and perhaps may have less Linux experience, Kubuntu may be a good choice.

Kubuntu is pure Ubuntu, so most issues not related to Plasma are the exact same in Ubuntu. Kubuntu is an official 'Flavour' of Ubuntu.

Neon has just enough differences that a tiny bit of Linux experience is helpful, but not required of course, but the vast majority of issues will be the same or very similar to Ubuntu/Kubuntu Neon is not an official flavour, somewhat akin to distros like Mint, Elementary, or PopOS.

I probably will switch to KDE Neon once my PC dies in some way, and I have to either replace a drive or motherboard.
Or at least I keep telling myself that. I have been giving Kubuntu support and other things for nearly 15 years, so I am not sure I could just figuratively walk away from the OS too easily.
I think I will, though, next time.


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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:38 pm
I am with Clay here, this depends entirely on your use case, which might be very different from ours.

I use both, but on the same machine, in dual boot. One is Kubuntu 19.04 which is my daily work version, and I recently installed the Neon developer version which is bleeding edge and every now and then I want to see the new stuff ASAP. I have not had very often the occasion to boot in the other one yet, so every time I launch Neon I spend updating a lot and then just browse the Plasma novelties. The idea is to do some testing and report bugs I run across, but I haven't really found time to do this yet.

I have no use of the Neon User version, as I get Plasma updates fairly regularly on Kubuntu with the backports PPA.

As you see, this really depends a lot on what each person does on their machines.

but it has a few annoying bugs

You didn't tell which exact Kubuntu version you run, did you report these bugs? Bugs in Plasma or in an application?


Currently running Kubuntu 19.10, Plasma 5.18.2, Frameworks 5.67.0, Qt 5.12.4, kernel 5.3.0-40
FWIW: it is always useful to state the Plasma version and distribution when asking questions in this forum, makes it easier for us to help ...
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:08 am
Thank you everyone for the insight. I think I'll install KDE Neon and make the decision for myself.

@Mamarok

Where's the recommended place I report bugs? It might be resolved already, actually, as I'm using 18.04 LTS which is not the latest major version anymore.

The issue is with the desktop icons not refreshing. The trash and home icons will be duplicated if i put anything on my desktop. The duplicates can't be deleted, nor can they be interacted with, and they always move with beside specific icons when I move those icons. The trash also occasionally stays red instead of going blue when i empty it from the desktop configuration file. All these things are easily corrected by rebooting or by logging out and back in, though.
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:20 am
Hm, yes you use a rather old version, so how about upgrading first? LTS is something for corporate, private users should update their systems more regularly.
To report a bug about Plasma https://bugs.kde.org is the place, but for that you would need at least a recent version of it.

FWIW: to state the obvious: every use case is different, I don't have any application icons on my desktop but a few plasma widgets (e.g. clock), and see no problem for refreshing, but my desktop is not using the Folder View. Did you try the various settings in "Configure Desktop"?


Currently running Kubuntu 19.10, Plasma 5.18.2, Frameworks 5.67.0, Qt 5.12.4, kernel 5.3.0-40
FWIW: it is always useful to state the Plasma version and distribution when asking questions in this forum, makes it easier for us to help ...
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:09 pm
kubuntu hands down.


Kubuntu 19.10 Kernel 5.3.24, KDE Plasma 5.17.3
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:48 am
Best KDE neon I use. Kde neon have rolling only KDE all apps updates!!! Oh my god really great!!! You try KDE neon 💙💙💙


My photo screen KDE neon look Latte dock beautiful


https://imgur.com/a/DHM8pHJ
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:14 am
been testing both kubuntu and kde neon, in VMs. and kde neon seems way more stable....


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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:43 pm
Mamarok wrote:Hm, yes you use a rather old version, so how about upgrading first? "?

Not to nit-pick, but I believe KDE Neon User Edition 5.17 is based on LTS Kubuntu 18.04. I may be wrong.

I have not found KDE Neon nor Kubuntu to be unstable. Either should work for you. I chose KDE Neon over Kubuntu over a year ago reasoning I would prefer to get more recent Plasma updates staying with LTS rather than staying with more current Kubuntu versions with fewer Plasma updates. Updates are provided almost daily and are trivial to apply.

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Network:   Card-1: Intel Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak] driver: iwlwifi
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Migrated from Linux Mint 17.3/18.3 KDE to KDE neon User Edition 5.15
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:02 am
I personally prefer KDE neon over Ubuntu.
Reasoning is, I heard and experienced some instability issues in Kubuntu. I'd say KDE neon is the more bleeding edge/stable distro.
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:53 am
My personal reason for choosing Neon is because it's like a clean install of Windows 7 to me. There's nothing on it except for the base desktop and the standard applications like Firefox. Sure you can select the option in the Kubuntu install to not install any extra software, but I tend to like having an install of Plasma that has a small foot print right out of the box. Besides, you don't have to update Neon all the time. I basically just turned off those notifications and update when there are big releases, or if I am looking for a fix to something. But if it works for me, there is no need to fix it. But still, the updates are no where near as dreadful as Windows 10. ;D

I came over to Neon after Mint KDE was going to be discontinued. From that day on, KDE Neon has been like crack is to drug addicts for me.

I'd say KDE Neon is great if you want to up to date KDE apps, and bugs to be fixed faster on the KDE side of things. The same goes for if you're looking to setup a more minimal type of install. From my perspective, I don't care if I'm not using bleeding edge software (Given that Ubuntu is on 19.04 and I'm on 18.04). I care about the fact that things work properly, and that I can use it in my day to day tasks.

Neon has been very stable that I don't even realize that I am using it anymore.

KDE in general has really saved my sanity after leaving Windows 7 as my full-time OS 4 years ago, and allowed me to skip Microsoft's train wreaks known as Windows 8 & 10.
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:32 am
Kubuntu is an official flavor of Ubuntu (which means that canonical supports them by providing updates and whenever Ubuntu has a release, the flavors also get it). ... On the other hand KDE Neon is developed by the KDE community itself, opting for the latest in KDE stuff which should we go for?
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Re: KDE Neon or Kubuntu?

Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:14 am
Re: KDE Neon and system stability
KDE Neon is just Ubuntu LTS with the latest KDE technologies. So it is a stable Ubuntu base with the newest KDE software constantly being updated. There is a user edition by the way, it is a bit more tested for the KDE packages so it is much more stable.

 
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