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[SOLVED] Dolphin Ideas (with mockups)

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[SOLVED] Dolphin Ideas (with mockups)

Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:03 pm
Or you can add a . (dot) as a prefix to backup files. ;)


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One idea that I got: Folder that subfolders could have "..." after the name of the folder. That is, if folder called "testfolder" contained a subfolder, the name could be displayed as "testfolder...".


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Hans wrote:Or you can add a . (dot) as a prefix to backup files. ;)

Or that, but I think that could be a bit lengthy as I should manually rename every back-up file. The solution is that there would be a script that would automatically rename every file with ~in name so it would also have . in front of it.
Unfortunately I don't know how to script, that's something that I should learn.


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Primoz wrote:Or that, but I think that could be a bit lengthy as I should manually rename every back-up file. The solution is that there would be a script that would automatically rename every file with ~in name so it would also have . in front of it.
Unfortunately I don't know how to script, that's something that I should learn.


The text editors in KDE have the option to add a prefix to backup files. Open the configure window and navigate to "Open/Save" (KDE3).


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Janne wrote:One idea that I got: Folder that subfolders could have "..." after the name of the folder. That is, if folder called "testfolder" contained a subfolder, the name could be displayed as "testfolder...".

I would like to see that in location bar. Now you have triangles to go back and in other folder, but it would be also cool if a folder with subfolders would have a triangle in Location bar and when clicked the menu with subfolders would appear.
A printscreen to show what I mean:

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bcooksley wrote:If you are to submit this as either a brainstorm idea, or to the Dolphin developers, I would recommend breaking it down into several more pieces. Longer emails tend to get ignored.


I was going to do that. But I still don't know where to submit it.

Primoz wrote:Just a small idea which I think wasn't proposed yet. There should be an option to hide backup files backup~.
And if you would want to see them you would press altgr+1 which produces ~. I think that would be nice and it would un-clutter folders.


See Bug Report 3212. They seem to have landed on the idea of a costum set of files to exclude. I will include that idea, since it is much more flexible.

Janne wrote:One idea that I got: Folder that subfolders could have "..." after the name of the folder. That is, if folder called "testfolder" contained a subfolder, the name could be displayed as "testfolder...".

What about folders that really have "..." in their name?


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Added a few more ideas, including something that I hope will at least partially solve Primoz's issue with the root directory, the issue with hidding backups, another idea of mine about thumbnails I forgot to include, and a rather length section on an almost complete overhaul of the "File Already Exists" dialog box that I originally submitted as a wishlist item but put here for additional feedback. I also broke the post into two separate posts since part of it kept getting deleted.

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Primoz wrote:I would like to see that in location bar. Now you have triangles to go back and in other folder, but it would be also cool if a folder with subfolders would have a triangle in Location bar and when clicked the menu with subfolders would appear.
A printscreen to show what I mean:

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Are you talking about being able to navigate to subfolders of the current folder, or subfolders of a folder in the tree? If it is either of those, both are already in my initial post, and have been for a while now.

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TheBlackCat wrote:What about folders that really have "..." in their name?


I don't really see why anyone would like to name their folders like that. besides, same question could be said about files and folders that start with a dot. That is, how would folder called ".stuff" be handled? As a hidden folder. What if the user doesn't want it to be hidden?


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TheBlackCat wrote:
Primoz wrote:I would like to see that in location bar. Now you have triangles to go back and in other folder, but it would be also cool if a folder with subfolders would have a triangle in Location bar and when clicked the menu with subfolders would appear.
A printscreen to show what I mean:

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Are you talking about being able to navigate to subfolders of the current folder, or subfolders of a folder in the tree? If it is either of those, both are already in my initial post, and have been for a while now.

No to subfolders of current folder.
Sorry didn't see that in your original post.
It was more ad hoc idea that Jannes idea to tag folders with subfolders with ... inspired.
I feel it would be more clean than ...
But that's just me.
Anyway I really like the whole Dolphin mock-up. As I said before if it gets implemented it will truly be a best FM to-date and not just in open source.
OK I never tried OS X finder, but how hi-tech could it be?

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Janne wrote:I don't really see why anyone would like to name their folders like that. besides, same question could be said about files and folders that start with a dot. That is, how would folder called ".stuff" be handled? As a hidden folder. What if the user doesn't want it to be hidden?


Preceding a file with a dot to hide it is a standard part of all Unix and Unix-like operating systems. It was not a Dolphin idea. If users don't want those sorts of files hidden, they are out of luck because that is how Linux works and has always worked.

Your idea, however, is not based on the rules of Unix and Linux filesystems. It is imposing a new and unique filename rule. Further, it is based on the assumption that because you don't see why people would do it, then nobody has done it. I don't think Dolphin developers should be in the business of imposing new limits on how users can name files and folders above and beyond the limits inherent in Linux.

If you can come up with a good graphical way to tell people if a folder has subfolders, such as a change to the icon or an emblem or something along those lines, I might consider adding it. But changing file names is not something I plan to include. One of the main philosophies I was basing these ideas from is that they cannot put additional limits on users or interfere with how they already do things. They can provide addition functionality, or make existing functionality easier to make use of, but they cannot eliminate existing functionality or make existing functionality harder to make use of.

I am still not clear on why, exactly, you wish to include this at all. What advantage do users gain from knowing whether a folder has subfolders above and beyond knowing that it contains something?

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Should I go ahead and post all of these ideas as separate brainstorm ideas?


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Please feel free to do so.


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Now as you did it (and thanks for the massive work you have put into it!) this thread could be closed, if you are okay with it.
And maybe you can also put a last post in here with a link list to all your brainstorm items (i know, will become a big list :-D )


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yeah, list would be nice. i'll vote ;)


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