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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:05 pm
Kver wrote:Hrrm... Idea meet wall.
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Such stunningly beautiful work on this one! Makes me all giggly inside. ;D

It's truly fantastic all of the different proposals and work done on this thread. I'm unaware of any rule that says only one cursor theme should be included in the KDE Plasma Workspace. Especially if there's a great selection to choose from. And even beyond what gets shipped, my personal view is that as long as this community is producing great work, it's really the work that matters. Distros can choose their default themes and users can choose their themes. But what's great is all the fantastic visual design work everyone up and down the stack will have to choose from if we keep this up.

So yay for friendly, cooperative competition and the exciting work, like this thread, that it produces!
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:37 pm
I loooove me my dark cursors so the white ones were a bit neglected.

I hope you can work on that. Overall it really looks good (but more contrast please!) even if it is too fancy for my taste.

Btw, if you want to take something from our theme take a look into our repo https://github.com/sirherrbatka/perspective-cursor white is currently worked on, the remaining ones are… drafts.

On another note: are there any simple tutorials anywhere on how to make these things into an installable icon package? I got the cursor plugin for Gimp and I've exported some of the animated cursors (busy & working), but I'm at a loss on what needs to be done after that.

use xcursorgen (examples on the repo)
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:23 pm
Now we have a - luxury - problem here: We have two wonderful cursor themes, both of which would be far more than good enough for becoming the default theme for Plasma Next. Of course both can and should be installed with Plasma Next by default, but sadly there can be only one which is selected by default.

It's already noticeable how the sense of competition resulting from this situation has had a slightly negative impact on the "team spirit" in this thread. This is not what we want. We want all of us to happily work together towards our common goal of shipping Plasma Next with a default cursor theme that is both beautiful and usable.

Does anyone have an idea how we can reach that goal without any of the designers which have produced amazing work here feeling "betrayed" and frustrated?
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:34 am
I think it's to soon to worry about it, mostly because all work is under development. sir_herrbatka and I are working on some kind of fusion of our cursors. But as you can see we are open for propositions eg. @legnaVI did fantastic work creating hand cursor and it was instantly merge to the project. So I think it will evolve. Cursor theme which I've made is available for all who like it in such form as I proposed in mockup (second page of this thread), but I don't think it's final work for plasma next. Moreover, I would be happier if default theme would be @Kvers work so far, mostly because it's like a bridge from old plasma to the plasma next. But as I said, work is under development so will see :)

PS. I truly believe it gonna be the best cursor theme/family(?) in entire DEs world :D
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:27 am
I love Kver's theme, which as already said brings KDE into the new theme.

I would ask if black/white lines could be just a tad thicker and with some roundness added in(looking that the resizing icons especially). Something very, very roughly like the bottom one of this?

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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:07 am
As long as everyone understands that being selected as the default cursor theme in the KDE Plasma Workspace is not the only acceptable outcome of work produced here, then all is well I think. There are multiple avenues for the wonderful work produced here to be used. Among those acceptable and desirable outcomes are:
  • Being included in the KDE Plasma Workspace, whether selected by default or not
  • Being selected by distros and
  • Being selected by users
My advice is for us to focus on the design work by being supportive of our fellow designers and trust that great work will always find an audience. Some friendly, positive competition among designers is fine in that context I think. So cheer each other on and be rightfully inspired by each other's work. There's great work going on here - that's pretty damn inspiring all by itself!

Ok, enough meta-commentary from me, back to the fun design work. :-)
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:46 am
alake wrote:As long as everyone understands that being selected as the default cursor theme in the KDE Plasma Workspace is not the only acceptable outcome of work produced here, then all is well I think. There are multiple avenues for the wonderful work produced here to be used.... [snip] ...Ok, enough meta-commentary from me, back to the fun design work. :-)


*puts away flamethrower*

But in all seriousness, I just saw this thread after reading a design post on PlanetKDE. I don't usually see too many things where I can just pop in and toss some stuff in the pot; I have a very time-demanding job so it's a bit of a rare opportunity for me to contribute to extended projects - admittedly I tend to jump the gun when I see things like this which don't demand obscene amounts of time.

I'd also like to apologise if I did rock the boat - t'wasn't my intent - I was just super-excited :)

Leroux wrote:I think it's to soon to worry about it, mostly because all work is under development. sir_herrbatka and I are working on some kind of fusion of our cursors. But as you can see we are open for propositions eg. @legnaVI did fantastic work creating hand cursor and it was instantly merge to the project. So I think it will evolve. Cursor theme which I've made is available for all who like it in such form as I proposed in mockup (second page of this thread), but I don't think it's final work for plasma next. Moreover, I would be happier if default theme would be @Kvers work so far, mostly because it's like a bridge from old plasma to the plasma next. But as I said, work is under development so will see :)

PS. I truly believe it gonna be the best cursor theme/family(?) in entire DE world :D


Well said, ++.

On another note, I'm probably going to have to step away from this thread for a couple days. I have a large project on the burner at work and it's starting to call for overtime at home. I'll try to at least pop in and keep up though. I already have things I've been taking care of today, so i didn't make very much progress at all; I just pulled the dark black colour from the reference image, and added some of the missing articles. I didn't get the chance flip the colours and create the whtie version this time, and I still want to create a 'thick line' variant too.

The source file is attached below, so anyone who wants it can have at it.

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(disorganised source file / GPLv3)


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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:36 am
Kver wrote:
alake wrote:As long as everyone understands that being selected as the default cursor theme in the KDE Plasma Workspace is not the only acceptable outcome of work produced here, then all is well I think. There are multiple avenues for the wonderful work produced here to be used.... [snip] ...Ok, enough meta-commentary from me, back to the fun design work. :-)


*puts away flamethrower*

But in all seriousness, I just saw this thread after reading a design post on PlanetKDE. I don't usually see too many things where I can just pop in and toss some stuff in the pot; I have a very time-demanding job so it's a bit of a rare opportunity for me to contribute to extended projects - admittedly I tend to jump the gun when I see things like this which don't demand obscene amounts of time.

I'd also like to apologise if I did rock the boat - t'wasn't my intent - I was just super-excited :)

Leroux wrote:I think it's to soon to worry about it, mostly because all work is under development. sir_herrbatka and I are working on some kind of fusion of our cursors. But as you can see we are open for propositions eg. @legnaVI did fantastic work creating hand cursor and it was instantly merge to the project. So I think it will evolve. Cursor theme which I've made is available for all who like it in such form as I proposed in mockup (second page of this thread), but I don't think it's final work for plasma next. Moreover, I would be happier if default theme would be @Kvers work so far, mostly because it's like a bridge from old plasma to the plasma next. But as I said, work is under development so will see :)

PS. I truly believe it gonna be the best cursor theme/family(?) in entire DE world :D


Well said, ++.

On another note, I'm probably going to have to step away from this thread for a couple days. I have a large project on the burner at work and it's starting to call for overtime at home. I'll try to at least pop in and keep up though. I already have things I've been taking care of today, so i didn't make very much progress at all; I just pulled the dark black colour from the reference image, and added some of the missing articles. I didn't get the chance flip the colours and create the whtie version this time, and I still want to create a 'thick line' variant too.

The source file is attached below, so anyone who wants it can have at it.

Image
(disorganised source file / GPLv3)


just one word.... Perfect! :)
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:23 am
@Kver

No hard feelings if we copy calligraphy cursor design?
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:43 pm
sir_herrbatka wrote:@Kver

No hard feelings if we copy calligraphy cursor design?


It woud be my pleasure! There's a link to the raw SVG right below the image if you wanted to directly pull it out of there.

But... Could I perhaps... Trade for your skull & crossbones? I like yours guys's better, it's way cleaner. :D


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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:57 pm
I think you talk about the file in the black slim dir (i did not create white version so far). It was made by Leroux and i dont think he has anything against it.
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:18 pm
Kver wrote:Image

Really impressive, thanks!

Some of my first impressions:
  • The text cursor is much too long and should be shorter by a good quarter.
  • I agree that the black lines in the nwse and nesw cursors should be a bit smoother.
  • Actually I liked the previous "dark-grey" colour much better than this "light-black", even if conformant to the color palette, because it was more decent.
  • Shouldn't the calligraphy cursor be pointing into the same direction as the draw/write cursor?
  • I love the grab and drag pointers!
  • I don't like the precision pointer.
    IMO it should be a simple cross and a bit smaller. The way it is now it's more difficult to actually aim at a specific pixel/area, because the small circle is hiding some of the "content" under it (experienced this problem on Windows). A cross is simply the best solution IMO, like in my current oxy-neon cursor theme:
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    I liked it from beginning in this theme. The rest is also really nice, but it's problematic on blue surfaces obviously :/ I think in future your theme will certainly replace my current one :)
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:04 pm
I'm glad to see that my worries were obviously baseless. Great to see that the FOSS/community spirit is just as strong in these design matters as it is when it comes to code. Awesome, keep up the great work! :D
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:31 am
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6u3un1dnnj6f0 ... .tar.gz?m=

Feel free to try it out. New spinner is very minimalistic.
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Re: [Idea] New cursor theme

Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:19 pm
Nuc!eoN wrote:Some of my first impressions:
The text cursor is much too long and should be shorter by a good quarter.

Agreed/Done.
I agree that the black lines in the nwse and nesw cursors should be a bit smoother.

I've been murdering myself over those lines, and I just couldn't find anything I was happy with;
In this version I've fallen back slightly to the previous style, and I've been much happier with them so far; input?
Actually I liked the previous "dark-grey" colour much better than this "light-black", even if conformant to the color palette, because it was more decent.

I think ultimately I'll have a few different shades, but I did find myself liking the "dark grey" over the "light black" as you've said. I think maybe I'll make 50 shades of grey... Cursors. :P
Shouldn't the calligraphy cursor be pointing into the same direction as the draw/write cursor?

That's how I draw, but I prefer internal consistency, so agreed/done.
I love the grab and drag pointers!

And I love you, random citizen!
I don't like the precision pointer.
IMO it should be a simple cross and a bit smaller. The way it is now it's more difficult to actually aim at a specific pixel/area, because the small circle is hiding some of the "content" under it (experienced this problem on Windows). A cross is simply the best solution IMO, like in my current oxy-neon cursor theme:
Image

Agreed; there are two new variants in here. Once is a super-simple crosshair, and the other has... uh... "frosted tips"; input?
I liked it from beginning in this theme. The rest is also really nice, but it's problematic on blue surfaces obviously :/ I think in future your theme will certainly replace my current one :)[/list]

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Source: http://kver.ca/bridge-clean.svg

Change Summary:
  • Named the cursor set "Bridge", after Lerouxs' observation. If anyone has a better name I'm uncreative in that department. :)
  • Removed the holes found in the calligraphy and kill cursors.
  • Re-drew 2 new precision cursors, added colour-selection.
  • Switched from line-arrows to triangular arrows.
  • Various adjustments on most icons.

Next week or this weekend if I can I'll try to convert this over into an actual usable icon set if I can wrap my head around it.


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