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Wet brushes? Maybe?

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Wet brushes? Maybe?

Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:27 pm
I would love to see wet brushes in Krita. In ArtRage, Photoshop and ClipStudio I use lovely wet looking brushes (the ones in Painter are no good, sometimes really ugly). The properties for a wet look are "spread", "wet edges", "border", "density", "paper texture" and so on, everything that makes a good watercolour look. This maybe needs a new brush category / engine..?

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Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:35 pm
Hello,

I personally don't recall a digital brush able to convey only through settings (I mean without predefined patterns), the lifelike experience of wet brush strokes that dry out on paper.

In Krita, I select usually a predefined tip pattern.

But I know that it's possible to choose also between two painting modes in the brush editor settings window: "wash" and "build-up".
The former ("wash") lets you paint transparent strokes, as if you were drawing with a wet marker pen. Note that overlapping strokes tend to be a little thicker and materic than the real watercolors (changing the blending mode in some case helps).
And they don't have ragged edges ("scatter" is a nice option, but sometimes you may need a higher level of precision).

I've seen some beautiful watercolor like paintings made with Krita, e.g. some from artist Namito: http://tiny.cc/1r9qvx and http://tiny.cc/to9qvx

Have you tried the brushes you mentioned from comparative applications?
Is there any video showing off their features?
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:08 pm
I agree henrystahle, a new wet (watercolor) brush engine would be nice. I really like the water color brushes Vasco Basqué created, they are the best I've seen for Krita, but I really wish Krita did have an option either via layer option or via brush options to have forms of watercolor edges when painting. And before someone comes along and makes mention that no digital paint program can simulate real watercolors, this is true, but at least the option of digital watercolors that are not a super hassle to emulate like in krita's current case would be a benefit. I like the watercolor brushes in Manga/Clip paint studio, artrage, Paper 53 (a friggin ipad app), Painter and the best watcolor emulation I've worked with was in Paint Tool Sai which uses the layer menu for texture and edge options. Comic book and concept artist would rejoice at having this as a brush tool in Krita - I'm one of them


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Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:38 pm
We used to have a proper paper colour space but this was really hard to maintain.

With the layer styles, which are coming quite far along, we'll be able to have generated hard edges.

But proper water colour simulation, with pigment and water amount simulation is really really hard to do, because most of the systems are just very prone to bugs and difficult to maintain.
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Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:17 pm
http://tonnnonn.tumblr.com/post/100302998316/krita
well there's this watercolor brushset thats really amazing and i love it a lot

hard edges would be nice to have in the future
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:29 am
http://tonnnonn.tumblr.com/post/100302998316/krita
well there's this watercolor brushset thats really amazing and i love it a lot, hard edges would be nice to have in the future


I just tried them out and I really love them! They should be included in the Krita brushes, if possible. And hard edges, yes od course...but these are just Lovely! Thank you for sharing! And thank you to the creator of the brushes!
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:43 pm
@ramskulls
Thank you very very much, for sharing.
Actually, I was wrong before. It seems it's already pretty much possible to create a quite discrete amount of effects. And the blending modes help. (I'd love if it were possible to modulate blending modes by pressure).
To dry out or tone down, I sometimes play with the setting "Value", through the sensor "Pressure".
Please, if you're aware of other resources in Japanese, let us know! Thank you :)
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:21 pm
no problem guys, i just found them from the krita foundation tumblr a while back
im not sure if it's in the homepage's resources list yet though
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:46 pm
TheraHedwig wrote:With the layer styles, which are coming quite far along, we'll be able to have generated hard edges.


This'll work too :) Great news.


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Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:53 am
But proper water colour simulation, with pigment and water amount simulation is really really hard to do, because most of the systems are just very prone to bugs and difficult to maintain.


That is one thing Corel Painter tries to do with the Watercolor and Real Watercolor brushes, proving it is just a gimmic, not looking like watercolor at all, IMO. ArtRage is simple and advanced enough at the same time. Something like AR in Krita..?
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Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:59 pm
ArtRage is a bit of a funny thing, it's all opengl. Fresh Paint does watercolor reasonably well, but then, it's based on Bill Baxter's research into simulating natural media based on real physics simulation. We used to have something similar, which gave realistic results but had two problems: it broke undo and the result wasn't predictable enough (like real watercolor...)
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Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:51 pm
...and the result wasn't predictable enough (like real watercolor...)...

I Think real watercolour has a great charm, not only because it is unpredictable like humans, it also gives some, sometines artistic good looking, random effects and COSTs a lot of paper. That is why I like digital tools that simulates the looks of watercolour on paper. ArtRage is simple to use, the WC tools are easy to understand ad to tune for your own likings. So is ClipStudio and Photoshop. Painters WCs are just a mess.

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I think the only things a good digital watercolour tool settings needs are: 1. hard edges / wet edges, 2. textured edges / non textured edges, 3. blending / mix in / pick up underlying colour, and 4. transparency / opacity. And of course all good blending modes from Krita.

Hopefully, some day hard edges will come? Until then: I am having a good time working painting and drawing in Krita anyhow.. :)
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Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:24 pm
Here's an example of my watercolour brushes+ the layerstyle's innerglow:



On second glance, the innerflow border is not supper obvious, but it's there, and does translate to auto generated borders.
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Re: Wet brushes? Maybe?

Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:08 pm
Anybody try VERVE painting tool? Looks really interesting and its available free
What it does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dMO5HnRYMc
Demos from developer: https://www.youtube.com/user/333taron/videos
Download link: http://www.taron.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4

Unfortunately not available on Linux so I havn't tried it.
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Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:20 pm
I've seen it, but not used it. It's not open source, so not much that we can do with it. The author was hired to work on Made with Mischief, so I'm not sure what the future of the tool is. You never know, though, Bill Baxter's Phd work ended up in Microsoft's Freshpain.

 
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