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Kcalc, kdenetwork-filesharing, must be included in Neon

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I understand KDE Neon is a bare-bones type of KDE distro, but I find those are essential. Not that this is an issue for me as I could just use Cubic to install them in the ISO. Or one could just install Kubuntu and be done with it. But I find that if there's already Kwrite, then there should be Kcalc to compliment it.

With kdenetwork-filesharing extension for Dolphin, it would be a great additive if one wants to setup a simple samba share. That and if there was a GUI for adding Samba user accounts.

And if the KDE UFW gui could be installed, that would be a bonus.

I find KDE Neon is a fresh install of Windows 7 already and is obviously more bleeding edge than Kubuntu. But if these were added, it would make it seem like a fully featured alternative to 7 as far as a base install of Linux goes. I'm basically suggesting all this as far as Neon being even more user friendly and bleeding edge for more novice types coming to Linux as well.
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The problem is that You find those packages "Essential", others may not.
I prefer Qalculate over Kcalc, & don't use file-sharing at all.
That's the beauty of Neon. Everyone can just install what they use & need, instead of being bogged down by superfluous apps.
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waynes wrote:The problem is that You find those packages "Essential", others may not.
I prefer Qalculate over Kcalc, & don't use file-sharing at all.
That's the beauty of Neon. Everyone can just install what they use & need, instead of being bogged down by superfluous apps.


So? Why not just install those anyway? Those are way too small to bog down anything and aren't really considered superfluous apps. Because if that's your reasoning, whats the point in having Kwrite, or Okular installed then? There's so many others, right?

Also, I'm not saying have the entire Samba client installed. Just the extension for the share tab in Dolphin. Because I didn't find out about that extension until much later in my KDE adventure (Instead, I monkeyed around with the smb.conf file lots and played with GUIs that didn't match KDE. Like Gnome apps.). At least I'm only specifying small KDE apps. Besides, the goal is to make Linux in general more user friendly I would think. KDE may as well the monarch of that; considering it is the one of the most user friendly desktop environments I find.

Also, there used to be an actual KDE4 app to manage ufw. Whatever happened that in KDE5? I get there is Kubuntu. But I also prefer bleeding edge.

But I get your angle too. I like my main system other than my media server, so-so too.
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larrow wrote:So? Why not just install those anyway?

Because if everyone who used Neon had their own 2 essential items installed it would become bloatware.
This distro is designed to showcase the latest KDE Desktop, which it does. The Neon devs add in what they feel is necessary. Any other applications that you need/use, just install.
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waynes wrote:
larrow wrote:So? Why not just install those anyway?

Because if everyone who used Neon had their own 2 essential items installed it would become bloatware.
This distro is designed to showcase the latest KDE Desktop, which it does. The Neon devs add in what they feel is necessary. Any other applications that you need/use, just install.


Then there should be no installed Okular since Firefox can open a PDF anyway. How about Kdeconnect gets removed? Because that's not needed too. Those aren't necessary, right? How's that? One might consider that bloat.

But I do find it dumb that ufw is not enabled and that Neon doesn't have a GUI to manage said firewall. You'd figure that having at least a firewall enabled would be essential to most users.

Whatever, I'll just make my own custom iso if I need to.
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larrow wrote:Whatever, I'll just make my own custom iso if I need to.



That is the beauty of linux isn't it? At least it is to me.
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kdeoldster wrote:
larrow wrote:Whatever, I'll just make my own custom iso if I need to.



That is the beauty of linux isn't it? At least it is to me.


Sure it is. But I'm thinking among the lines of more novice users too. Sure Kubuntu is great. But maybe it's the lack of it being more bleeding edge that irks me.

What I'm trying to request is a more Windows 7 friendly alternative that is like a clean install of 7. That has a firewall gui, calculator, and the ease of access filesharing tab in Dolphin; all of which Neon is missing on install. The basics that older versions of Windows has essentially.

But I have already made a custom iso of Neon thanks to using Cubic. So if I have someone who is interested, I have it setup for all of the basic user needs.
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KDE neon has never been for "the novice user". It isn't really even a distro according to the developers, it is a working showcase for KDE Plasma desktop environment and apps.
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kdeoldster wrote:KDE neon has never been for "the novice user". It isn't really even a distro according to the developers, it is a working showcase for KDE Plasma desktop environment and apps.


Interesting, I can't tell how it's different from any other distro regarding the base. Debian is pretty much Debian no matter which DE it's sporting. Neon just has an older LTS base with bleeding edge KDE packages. That's it. And in the past, I've found Neon more stable than Kubuntu ironically. I also noticed that Kubuntu takes longer to install than Neon; even with all the stuff I installed in a custom iso.

Well, I guess if I switch anyone to Linux, I have a custom iso of Neon made for a novice user to get started with thanks to using Cubic. So much more easier than going through all the commands to extract the iso, chroot into the extracted iso to install the basics for a new user, and then compress the custom iso.

I know there is Kubuntu and it has all the things necessary basically. But I prefer to install things like WPS Office (and firejail to block internet access when using WPS Office) instead of Libreoffice as the GUI in that office suite is more familiar to people coming from say M$ Office. If Libreoffice had a more modern GUI, I'd take that. But WPS does seem to handle M$ Office files better.

In addition to that, installing Teamviewer, a music player like Clementine, Kcalc, Krdc, Samba tab in Dolphin, Bleachbit, a simple paint program like Kolourpaint, and of course the GUI for the firewall with the firewall enabled at install. And finally doing small fixes to it. I made it rather Windows like to some extent. So yeah, I took it a step further all with a bash script.

I've done a lot with Linux in the past 5 years since leaving Windows. And I discovered KDE in general is my kind of crack when it comes to my daily computing needs. :P

Now, since I have taken a liking to Krita over GIMP for drawing, I'm going to draw. Ta ta!
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Totally agree.

Best regards.
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Everyone can install packages after Neon installation. I think the neon way is much more better then the Kubuntu way. Neon is small and stable. And you can decide for yourself what you want and what you don't want. It's perfect, right?

I wrote some little installscript was all things are installed what we need. So, easy :)
https://git.styrion.net/iteas/iteas-too ... ler-UCS.sh

Feel free to modify the script or write your own.
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boospy007 wrote:Everyone can install packages after Neon installation. I think the neon way is much more better then the Kubuntu way. Neon is small and stable. And you can decide for yourself what you want and what you don't want. It's perfect, right?

I wrote some little installscript was all things are installed what we need. So, easy :)
https://git.styrion.net/iteas/iteas-too ... ler-UCS.sh

Feel free to modify the script or write your own.


I've made my own already. :P

 
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