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Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:34 pm
Neon makes the system upgrade like windows. Is it a virus or some new procedure. Upgrade, restart, neon logo and countdown as in windows :o

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Re: system upgrade

Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:11 pm
And if you do that on CMD:

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sudo pkcon refresh && sudo pkcon update
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:14 am
Thanks for reporting, I know those commands, but I used the GUI because it reported a notification in the panel that there was an update. It was easier for me to click on the notification in the panel than to start the terminal and type the commands. What I am writing is irrelevant because your writing does not give any answer to my dilemma and none of the developers are advertising on that issue. I am using a legal update and a legal program that is built into Neon.If commands must be used then the GUI program should be removed from the installation. GUI is a severe and long disease that plagues the Linux system.
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Re: system upgrade  Topic is solved

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Re: system upgrade

Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:16 pm
Thanks for the links, the right answer to my dilemma :)
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:18 am
I have one question about the new update system. Does it not ask for a password to apply updates now, or is something off with my install now?
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:49 pm
Mace68 wrote:I have one question about the new update system. Does it not ask for a password to apply updates now, or is something off with my install now?


This is correct and as expected. The system reboots and installs the updates with a very minimal boot environment so password is needed - think of it being a bit similar to the recovery mode in a sense, where you don't need a passwor.

A more descriptive documentation of the process:
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/sy ... dates.html


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Re: system upgrade

Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:01 pm
I came here today because of this exact issue. I REALLY don't like this new upgrade system. All of this rebooting? 5 minutes of updating when booting up? It feels like I'm using windows again. I feel icky and gross, like I need to shower.

I don't look to Linux for the windows experience. Or look to desktops for a smartphone experience. Or look to FireFox for the Chrome experience. Why is everything trying to be something else? This is insanity.

That said, it's good news I can still update without having to reboot or update at boot up, which also triggers its own reboot. I would love to see offline updates optional in Discover though.

Mace68 wrote:I have one question about the new update system. Does it not ask for a password to apply updates now, or is something off with my install now?

I think that's because the new updates are some kind of flatpak/snap/appimage thing? I think? Which is just more smartphone mimicking, since Androids function in a similar fashion. And it's extra weird here because, sure it's more secure, but this is Linux we're talking about. Software/updates are still coming from the repos, there are no active Linux viruses in the wild, and you can't remotely execute code without special permissions anyways, so why are system updates/core files now flatpak/snap/appimages? Sure, such things work for userspace but as part of the core OS? It's just more insanity. So they're not a flatpak/snap/appimage thing?

I would love a way to opt out of flatpak/snap/appimage installs in Discover if it's coming from the repos.
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:46 pm
mouse wrote:...
I would love a way to opt out of flatpak/snap/appimage installs in Discover if it's coming from the repos.

You should be able to uncheck those repos (Flatpack & Snap anyway) in Discover's Settings near the bottom of the list.

claydoh wrote:This is correct and as expected...

Thanks much for the confirmation!
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Re: system upgrade

Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:09 pm
What a really unthinking idea this new Discover update process is. I've put up with having to reboot for some large updates, but this morning there was a Firefox locale update of a few bytes in size, and now I have to reboot. The developers need their heads read. Really, a reboot for a minor locale update? Seriously? If I wanted this sort of tripe I'd use Windows.

Do any of the developers actually think about the user experience?

All those questions are rhetorical so they don't need answers.

Geeze.
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:49 am
catweazel wrote:What a really unthinking idea this new Discover update process is. I've put up with having to reboot for some large updates, but this morning there was a Firefox locale update of a few bytes in size, and now I have to reboot...

I imagine the command
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sudo pkcon refresh && sudo pkcon update
will still work like it used to.
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Re: system upgrade

Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:43 am
Mace68 wrote:I imagine the command
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sudo pkcon refresh && sudo pkcon update
will still work like it used to.

Congratulations on completely missing the point.

 
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