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Kickoff in applications expand to move the mouse over the categories of FolderViewer similar to the Desktop, fewer clicks is more pleasant, it also applies to Lancelot, please provide a menu to search for and practicality of the Kickoff Classic .[hr]Kickoff's idea is interesting, the choice of the search field is very useful.

But the resistance of users to use the applications is very large, requiring clicks on categories to enter and to return to the previous category.

Please make the option of a menu using the search, but that expands to move the mouse, as in classic menu.

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Merged with: [DUPLICATE] Kickoff and Classic menu merge

Hi!

Nice work with kde4 - I have installed it by accident a week ago, went through some frustrating times while configuring it, but now it is growing on me.

One of the things that bother me most is the Kickoff menu. Navigating it is very cumbersome. On the other hand, Classic menu is ugly and lacks some features (no System Settings, no search).

Why not change Kickoff (or add another style - KickClassic? ) style to provide better navigation while keeping the functionality?

I have prepared an image, but I don't know how to post it to this forum - I have uploaded it to mediafire:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b344 ... f6e8ebb871
(just click kickclassic.png, click "Start download",...)

It would probably be easier to change classic menu to add the functionality of kicker than reverse, I guess?

Keep up the good work!

Idea approved. It's still sketchy but I get the big picture...
Yo wish that sub directories would appear on hover. Like Lancelot? (Like in Windows XP?)

Look this mockup this is very very good.

http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.ph ... orumpage=0

The current best of the Kickoff menu with the best of classic.

That is the XP menu with search, essentially. I definitely think this is an idea for a separate menu, not a modification to the kickoff menu. The interface is substantially different enough that implementing this in kickoff would make it no longer bear any resemblance whatsoever to kickoff as it currently is.

he important thing is not to separate the programs this way, the main structure can continue the same today.

But when you move your mouse over the categories, the menu is as that expand Mockup and is not necessary to work only within the area of Kickoff and are not required several clicks.

I show the KDE4 for a huge amount of people and most do not like the way the current Kickoff, using the classic menu and we know that you can offer something more efficient.

The Kickoff and Lancelot attached themselves to an idea not practical to display all in a very limited space.

Making necessary the use of scroll bar and clicks constantly.

I agree and dont agree at the same time

I've got your point (hope so), but problem of scrolling is when menu can't fit in height of kickoff. Why this cant be solved by simply expanding kickoff itself? Because anyway you will have very high menu.

Another thing, is that sorting in kickoff is not polished. By now it sorts A-Z or Z-A, folders first.

I think a dynamic sorting could be created: where most important, frequently used, last installs and best matching titles should be on top. By so user wouldn't need to scroll again, since all aps he might need would be on top

How to count this sorting: -discountable-rati ... 47923.html with some modifications

The problem is not simply prioritize what is most used, so there are the favorites.

My suggestion is to improve the share of applications.

The picture below shows more or less my idea, but needs to be adapted for use in a menu.

In each category that moving the mouse, to open a screen that displays its contents, then moving the mouse over, another opens.

This will unite the best of Kickoff and the best and the Classic Menu.

bigbruno wrote:The problem is not simply prioritize what is most used, so there are the favorites.

No No No.
1st favorites are added manual. Why should i waste my time by favoriting something then most of the work could be done automatically. (p.s. I'm not telling that we should get rid of favorites at all )

2nd. What if user has 10, 20, 30, 50 favorites? Having only favorites there are no way to tell witch one is more "favorite" against another.

bigbruno wrote:In each category that moving the mouse, to open a screen that displays its contents, then moving the mouse over, another opens.

This will unite the best of Kickoff and the best and the Classic Menu.

This is screenshot of folder view plasmoid in kde4.3beta1, despite that this could be one the solutions

And yes, I agree that kickoff has enough to get more polished and user+usability friendly.

bigbruno wrote:he important thing is not to separate the programs this way, the main structure can continue the same today.

But when you move your mouse over the categories, the menu is as that expand Mockup and is not necessary to work only within the area of Kickoff and are not required several clicks.

You are talking about a completely new menu that is almost totally unlike the existing kickoff menu. A lot of people like the kickoff menu, what you are suggesting is eliminating it and replacing it with something totally different. The whole point of plasma is that we can have multiple different menus with different ways of operating that appeal to different people.

Kickoff and lancelot have the advantage that it requires much less mouse movement than traditional menus. Your target is always right near your mouse. The whole point of kickoff was that studies with users of various sorts showed that reducing mouse movements in this way is a more efficient way of designing an application launcher for pretty much every task, common or uncommon. It wasn't an arbitrary decision, a guess, or personal preference, it was an objective, quantitative assessment of how people can launch applications most efficiently.

It is fine if you prefer the old way of doing things, but it is not fine to force other people to use your way by eliminating the existing menu and replacing it with your idea, not when plasma supports having as many different menus as people care to write. We already have 3 and an additional one is well underway. Adding yours to the mix is probably a good idea if enough people want it, but it is definitely a very bad idea to replace the existing kickoff menu with it. The decision to use kickoff was not made lightly or arbitrarily.

Why SOME parts of this idea cant be implemented by modifying classic style?

basically it is classic style, so why not to merge them?

I suggested removing the current mode, but provide an option for more.

Maybe even improve the classic menu that does not fit well to KDE4.

The classic menu is add the ability to search and use the plasma of subjects became very pleasant.

you used translation tool, don't you?
What is you mother language?

Yes i use Google Translator.

My Language is Portuguese Brazilian.

And I started to participate in the forum does not understand English well because I see that over in my country's accession KDE4 is very difficult and most Linux users are migrating to Gnome.

So I'm trying to give the options that these users want to continue using or switch to KDE.

I think that even if studies show that the current method of KDE is better, is moving its old users need to think of alternatives like these too.

A duplicate idea: kickoff-and-classi ... 60657.html

Does Kickoff became a Zombie and will no longer evolve?

1 year after and you should not notice significant improvements in KDE 4.4.1