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Lukas
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[kTweak] An app for hidden settings

Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:42 pm
I know, I will lose many votes, but I must say.

Windows has tweakXP and many similar apps to for hidden windows settings. Why KDE can't have something similar. Best example KMail option to store mails in different folder

How to make this global?

Make 3 levels of tweaking:
normal - like in kmail example, Just a settings without GUI
svn - Settings that are likely to change in future or not
experimental/Unsupported - All other

Keep info into about possible tweaks into text files an share them over repos as main, community and factory, so users could easily choose how much they like to risk.


But the best of this (or vice versa :)) is that such database of programs settings descriptions could be a high jump to global kde backupping/importing tool, since the main problem for that is such tools has to know what settings does what ;)
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I'll approve this, but I personally do not like the idea. This is not windows, where Microsoft has the final say in what you can and cannot do. The whole reason tweakUI is needed is because Microsoft provides a lot of options which can't be changed in the built-in configuration dialogs, and there is no way for users to fix this.

KDE, on the other hand, is supposed to be based on flexibility and customization. If there is an option to do something, then it should be in the standard configuration dialogs. There are exceptions, of course, but these are usually just because there is no configuration dialog yet, either because devs have not gotten around to it or have not figured out a good way to do it (this will not solve either of those problems).

In the end this seems like the Microsoft way to do things, not KDE way to do things. I think it is a hack to work around a fundamental flaw in Microsoft's approach, and that KDE should use a better approach so this is not needed.

Last edited by TheBlackCat on Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.


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Hans
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There are some applications that lets you tweak settings in configuration files in a similar way to Firefox' about:config (I think Gnome has this too - gconf?). Would that make you satisfied?

(Unfortunately I forgot the name of the app - I saw it on the planet some time ago. It was developed by one of the Chakra developers, as far as I can remember).


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i'm with BlackCat here


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Lukas
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I definitely dont want a clone of windows like make-OS-usable tool, so...

Another point of view

This could be as an edit plugin for Backup tool (I hope KDE will get one ;))

In any case, backup tool had to know what most settings do to work with them correctly. Such edit/tweak plugin would just extend this tool, so before importing, exporting you could easily fix some settings. like in new PC is using some different paths etc.

Synchronisation Framework for KDE 4 is 1st and [Backup] Integrate an easy backup tool is 3rd most voted ideas. All of them could use the same DB, so such tweaking tool doesn't need an extra maintenance about what and where but at the same time would make them much more powerful.

So raw settings copying is a backup tool responsibility and manual/scriptable mods/tweaks for them is edit tools responsibility.


How about this?

Last edited by Lukas on Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Maki
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It's better to put the available configuration options where they should be instead of making an app to take care of that


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Folows new XDG spec(XDG_HOME, XDG_CACHE, XDG_CONFIG envs) we can configure apps to do this from terminal. It can be probably realised in this KDE version.

How we can use this stuffs? Click right on icon, select private mode. Private mode creates ramdisk on stack of UnionFS only for this apps, change this envs and starts application.


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HalphaZ
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Hidden settings are not a good thing, never.
So KDE should not have hidden settings. It can just have an "advanced" mode with more options.
I don't like this idea.
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I like the concept. After all, TweakUI and the like for Windows are just easy ways of setting settings that are usually hidden in some registry entry.

But I don't see why this should be neccessary, KDE already offers a lot more customization that Windows ever will. So I can't get vote for it.


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