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Aim of this idea is not to put "fancy" things away, but to highlight and investigate most unpleasant spots on kde4

Today, there is no clear and measurable way, where KDE4 is going to. Yes there are developers schedules, topics in brainstorm, etc, but in most cases they are aimed at specific problem or single app.

And they are doing great on most of them. Big thanks to all developers

Well, this isnt wrong, but I think KDE4 grew up to a level, when we should take a look an PC as a one single big system. As a system, form the look of statistic user, make is as simple and intuitive, that my grandmother could do at least most basic jobs

One of possible way to go there is to create a list of barely all regular actions we do with PC, take 20% of them, put 80% of work and make them as best as we can.
Make them as close to a user (no more than 3 clicks for main and basic tasks and no more that 7 any advanced) and as homogeneous (e.g. working with achieves in file download dialog and email client should basically the same) as possible



From talk, to work

1st We new to write a list with what we do with PCs

2nd Put the results on the polls, digg them and wait for daily users to tell what points of KDE4 are the most ambiguous and unpleasant

3rd Brainstorm session for each point, how to solve it. Link problem to application and find solutions

4th use the power of open source community to implement this

5th Be happy



So, The List


* List should be program names independent
* Look from different angle Keep in mind, that users dont use archive tools, they use data inside.
* They dont use filter A, filter B, they just edit pictures and applies filters
* Users dont like to think

So the beginning could look like

COMMUNICATION
(Internet, email, and PIM)

• Browse Internet
  
  • Open pages
    
  • Navigate history (back, forward, browse history)
    
  • Bookmark pages
    
  • Download files
    
  • Fill forms
    
  • Keep a wallet
    
  • Search
    
• Get news
  
  • Subscribe to feeds (RSS, ATOM)
    
  • View feeds (RSS, ATOM)
    
  • Manage feeds (RSS, ATOM)
    
  • Receive forecasts
    
  • Get via email Email (link to main email branch)
    
    
  • ...
    
• ....

Its just a sample list.

The best would be some sort of wiki pages, that any user could update it.

What is you personal opinion on this (including populism in the beginning)?

We need you

Great concept...

i think kde is acceptably ok with this kind of stuff

i'd want more power to be streamed into improving performance / improving multimedia applications (amarok and replacements for arts builder) / extending plasma

Can you sen email with just 3 clicks (not counting text typing )?

The result of such "rethink" should be to make kde 'dont even know' system. like riping cd's via kioslave. Users shoudn't how things are done, they just want them done.

Another example, some users uses limit speed option in download apps. But this could be solved in other way - extend network manager with some sort of routiong options and assign real time priority for http PM traffic, regular for downloads and low for system updates (excerpt for security ones ) So trafic management would be instant an you could use 100Į of your traffic.

There are 100+ of similar situations, where we could find simpler solution jus by looking from the other point of view.


I know, I wrote the message not enough clear, and I'm asking for your help to make it clear and spread it around the world

p.s. to write a list o actions we could use ant CMS with tree menu option. Its better solution as wiki based.


What does developers think?

I like that ! Something like this ?

• Developing
  
  • Code
    
  • Compile libraries
    
  • Write makefiles
    
  • Share projects
    
  • Work in team
    
• Instant Messenger
  
  • Talk, send messages online/offline
    
  • Play online while talking (chess, ...)
    
  • Share files / directories
    
• Internet
  
  • Find locations (google map, mappy)
    
  • Find information (wikipédia)
    

plaristote wrote:I like that ! Something like this ?

• Developing
  
  • Code
    
    • Write
    • Maintain
    • Share
  • Compile libraries
    
  • Write makefiles
    
  • Share projects
    
  • Work in team
    
• Instant Messenger
  
  • Talk, send messages online/offline
    
  • Play online while talking (chess, ...)
    
  • Share files / directories
    
• Internet
  
  • Find locations (google map, mappy)
    
  • Find information (wikipédia)
    

yep, similar, but more detail, so we could find things that duplicates and possibly merge them into one solution. Like all editors had to had an ftp support, now we have kioslaves

I believe there are much more situations we could polish and make less code too

Lukas wrote:Can you sen email with just 3 clicks (not counting text typing )?

Well, writing one is 3 clicks away for me (with Lancelot). One of these clicks is used for clicking away a KTip message in Konqueror . Sending the Email takes one extra click.

P.S.: I kinda cheated, because I used the non-click Interface of Lancelot.

blueget wrote:

Lukas wrote:Can you sen email with just 3 clicks (not counting text typing )?

Well, writing one is 3 clicks away for me (with Lancelot). One of these clicks is used for clicking away a KTip message in Konqueror . Sending the Email takes one extra click.

P.S.: I kinda cheated, because I used the non-click Interface of Lancelot.

Well, with auto hiding panel and PIm plasmoid (like a quickaccess plasmsoid, but where we se icons make it content box, where we see path, make it title) we could have just 2 + no lag to load PIM, if its not open